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Feb 16, 2013 33 Replies

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THat one is actually correct, no? What is your objection to this, other than it's a tautology?

It isn't correct. Even at DC, charge density couples to the Laplacian of the potential, not the potential itself, and at AC you have EM waves to worry about.

A few counterexamples:

DC: The inside of the sphere of an operating van de Graaf generator can be at +-20 MV, with little or no free charge on the interior surface. There's certainly a voltage present there!

AC: The E field strength 10 metres in front of a radar antenna is enough to mess up just about any electronic device, yet there are no free charges there.

Higher frequency AC: A focused laser beam.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

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well, you're pointing to some area where there is no charge, but the field is defined over entire R3 and the field in the area you are discussing originated from a charge, possibly moving charge, somewhere else.

The author of the piece clearly knows zero electromagnetics. I agree with what you said just above, but (a) that isn't what the author said, and (b) neither is very useful for understanding how to get rid of pickup and ground loops.

Morrison is the go-to reference for that stuff. (NOT HoJo.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 USA +1 845 480 2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Morrison? Got a link somewhere?

Sometimes it would be good to be able to point clients to a good book or web publication. "Trilogy of Magnetics" from Wuerth Electronics is a really good book in that domain (with some minor reservations, as usual). I think it's around $50 which would be very well invested money for a newcomer. I've got it here on loan from Wuerth right now but only for review, will give it back some day because I am "past that age".

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

*You*, Joerg, don't know of 'Grounding and shielding' by Ralph Morrison??

I'm amazed.

Jeroen Belleman

Ralph Morrison, Grounding and Shielding Techniques, Fourth edition, Wiley, 1998.

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. There's a 2007 edition as well, but I haven't actually seen it.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 USA +1 845 480 2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

I thought the Wurth book was really lame. Two Wurth sales guys called on me. One pushed me to buy the book as the other one made faces and rolled his eyes.

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

Thanks, Phil. I bookmarked that and will check it out, could be useful for folks learning this stuff.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Well, I learned this stuff by doing, not via books. The first book I bought about it was HoJo's but only because I needed something where I could say "Look at page xxx figure xx". Not because I needed it. That book is ok but not 100% IMHO.

It's the same with Radar, eventually I gave my Radar Handbook to our library because I kind of knew the stuff from it that I needed. No point in hanging on to something I rarely use but where the next kid with maybe not a lot of financial resources could learn from. Of course, then I realized I had no more cheat sheet to gauge sideband leakage versus Hilbert phase errors. It's in that book.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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They didn't push me to buy it, just to take a look. They'll pick it up on the next visit. It may be lame to you and me but can help a newcomer a lot. For example, they often don't have the foggiest how loops form and how they can couple with stuff from elsewhere. Universities often don't teach this anymore.

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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You can have mine.

John

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

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You bought it?

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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