DIY SMT Solder Oven

Hello Group,

This may not be the appropriate news group to discuss this, but the group helps me before and I do not know a better place to find help again.

As many, I am trying to build a low cost SMT Reflow Oven using an of the shelves small oven. I did have one first prototype working, but it was too small and plague with many problems, mostly cause by uneven heat diffusion.

I am working on s second unit, build with a lot more powerful heaters, cooling fan, and more evenly distribute heater surface. With this one, I have more than enough power to raise temperature to target value with the proper raise speed.

Not to say, that the unit is control by computer, PID is use to achieved proper temperature control. The PCB temperature is raise to 150c at a rate of 2c/second, the PCB soak at 150c for 60 seconds and it is raise to 215c at the same rate. Next temperature is cool down by a fan. Time over melting point (183c) is around 60 seconds has require by the paste we used.

The problem is that with those timing, we end up with a toasted PCB. Reducing the time over melting point, did correct the problem, but barely; the PCB still have trace of over heating. Trying the same process with RoHS paste, using a higher melting point temperature (220c), resulted in PCB burn up.

I tried to implement convection, but the blower is not powerful enough, it has no effect on the result.

I use a thermocouple in contact with the PCB to pick up temperature. I am not sure if I should monitor the air temperature at proximity of the PCB or still use direct contact? Both methods results in quite different temperature response.

Do you have any hints to the reason why the PCB toast? What is wrong with the method? Do I heat too quickly or too high?

I do over shoot a bit at the top, I should raise up to 215c, but end up at

225c for a few second before the fan turn ON, is this why the PCB have trace of over cooked? In the case of the RoHS paste, I must rise to 245c; I overshoot to 250c, but the PCB start burning well before I reach that temperature.

I use standard fiberglass PCB. I must use and oven since I have SMT on both side. I did solder many PCB with the first prototype, but they must be small. The second unit will be able to older PCB up to 12" x 12", but I must find a way to prevent burn on the PCB.

Need help and suggestions.

Thank you all.

Jacques

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Jacques St-Pierre
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Check the sparkfun webpage, I think they have worked out a PCB and design that works.

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Here's my thinking: Most of these cheap toaster ovens heat unevenly. Its possible that your sensor is reading in a cooler spot than where your PC board sits.

Also, make sure that the PC board is not exposed directly to the heating elements or direct radiation will heat it too fast.

One idea I've read about is to incorporate a small fan inside the oven to keep the air mixed and at a more uniform temperature. A small impeller on a long shaft with the motor sitting outside the oven will do.

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I'd certainly like to hear about your project, so please post your progress.

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miso

Put the TC on the metal of the heating element, if its on the PCB, you are experiencing overshoot because of the PCBs low thermal conductivity, perhaps?

Steve Roberts

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osr

This is the classic toaster-oven soldering guide:

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The Sparkfun soldering ideas (here's a hotplate article, with links to the toaster project too):

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Circuit Cellar article:

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Another, from Cornell, with controller:

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The articles above discuss the various problems, solutions, and results.

HTH, James Arthur

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James Arthur

I use a waffle iron with dual sided grill plates. One side is for waffles and the other side is smooth for doing grilled cheese sandwiches (I'm guessing).

I use the smooth sides of the plates. I put spacers in, if needed, so the plates don't hit the components. This provides moderately even heating from below and above. Put a dab of solder paste in a visible area so you can see when the solder melts. Works fine for soldering those pesky ICs with exposed paddle.

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This guy recommends aluminum heat shields to spread the heat, avoiding hot spots and scorching:

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"You will need to make the following modification to your toaster oven so that your boards don't get toasted by direct infra red radiation from the heating elements.

The objective is for the heater elements to simply heat the air inside the oven, so a direct line of infra red heat straight from the elements to the circuit board must be avoided.

The way to achieve this is to get some thin sheet aluminium and make a cut-out shape that just covers up the elements. You can use a disposable baking tray from the supermarket to make this aluminium shield."

Cheers, James Arthur

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Un bel giorno Jacques St-Pierre digitò:

How do you manage the cooling phase? With homebuilt reflow ovens (made with toaster ovens, designed to keep the heat inside as much as they can) it is normally necessary to manually open the oven door at a certain point, in order to quickly dissipate the heat.

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| > Steve Roberts | | This guy recommends aluminum heat shields to spread the | heat, avoiding hot spots and scorching: | |

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| | "You will need to make the following modification to your toaster oven | so that your boards don't get toasted by direct infra red radiation from | the heating elements. | | The objective is for the heater elements to simply heat the air inside | the oven, so a direct line of infra red heat straight from the elements | to the circuit board must be avoided. | | The way to achieve this is to get some thin sheet aluminium and make a | cut-out shape that just covers up the elements. You can use a disposable | baking tray from the supermarket to make this aluminium shield." | | | Cheers, | James Arthur

This was my first thought, heat shields or diffusers.

Cheers

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Martin Riddle

At this point, I did add a fan connect to back of the oven with 2 feet's of

3 inches metal pipe. The fan is located lower than the oven, so this prevent the heat from getting out by that opening. We also remove the bottom tray (normally use to remove crumb), this give an large opening to exit the heat when the fan turn on. We do not need to open the oven until the end of the process.

Bye Jacques

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Jacques St-Pierre

At this point, all my reading appear to agree with this. In my last test, I put a metal plate over the lower heater, this help. More modification will be require to install shielding on both heater.

I also put the heat sensor in the air near the PCB, instead of direct contact. This give more constant result.

I will try to install a fans inside the oven to move air around, this may help a lot. My first try was not successful, the fan I use was not moving air at all. I will try something else.

Bye Jacques

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Jacques St-Pierre

Hello, 12 inches by 12 inches is rather bigger than any toaster oven that i know of. This guy has custom built his own. Adjust your advice accordingly. That said, i do not get why the small overshoot from 245 C for RoHS solder to 250 C is damaging normal FR4. RTOP.

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The man said his first unit had trouble with uneven heating. He further relates that the 2nd unit burns boards before it even gets to soldering temperature.

That also sounds like uneven heating and / or a direct IR path that burns the board before the more-reflective solder gets up to temperature.

ISTM 12x12 inches makes the likelihood of such problems even greater.

So the cure (if that's the culprit) is a heat shield that blocks the direct IR path.

Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

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