Digital 'Scope Choice

Mar 01, 2012 44 Replies

Hi guys,



I finally decided it's time to invest in a digital storage scope for those odd times when I need to examine LF audio waveforms which my



100Mhz and 350Mhz analog scopes are no use for.

I've always been a Tek and HP/Agilent kind of person, but looking at what's available today it seems the DSO scene is now dominated by totally unfamiliar makes to me such as Atten, Siegel, UNI-T, Hantek, Rigol, Owon and GW Instek. Are these new entrants to the market any good? Anyone have any experience of them?



TIA,



P.


I have a Rigol DS1052E and it's a very nice scope. $355 on Amazon.

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Be careful though. That scope puts out a lot of RFI. I have one and if I put it near the GPS antenna of my house clock, it kills the receiver. It is a deal though.

Our wooden building is almost in the shadow of Sutro Tower. We'd never notice a little more RF. All these low-end scopes, including Tek, have plastic cases these days, and probably radiate a lot up-close.

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Strange they don't even bother to put foil on the inside.

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You may be closer to the truth than you realize. Back in my GenRad days the insides of the "plastic" case parts were electroplated with some conductive material (can't remember what now).

And there was a metal spring finger from chassis contacting that coating. ...Jim Thompson

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Yeah, you'd think that would be cheap and help a lot. Has anybody tried it?

3M made (makes?) a metal foil that has acrylic stickystuff on one side that has tiny metallic particles embedded, so is conductive. A good overlap of regular foil tape would work for RF, from the capacitance. I have a foil capacitance measurement around here somewhere...
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You know, I find that guy to be intensely annoying. Why does he use that squeaky affected tone of voice, and not talk like a normal person?

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I realize. :)

Lot's of things I've taken apart have foil and a contact spring.

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This is why.

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But the mod looks good.

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I was just pointing out that no visible foil doesn't necessarily mean no metalization shield... the GenRad stuff had just a dirty flat gray look. ...Jim Thompson

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Haha... that's just how he was born?

He (Dave Jones) has posted on here occasionally, you know!

Those are all pretty much "low end" scopes -- most of them are

The resolution on the A brands usually isn't much better. Some B-brand scopes use a 7" 800x480 wide screen. That makes a lot of sense!

The pricing is not that competetive if you compare the record lengths and other features. AFAIK Tek 2000 and 3000 series have a record length of 2500 points. IOW: useless.

Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------

Were analog scopes useless?

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I just meant "more competitive than they used to be," not necessarily "more competitive in an absolute sense." :-)

I was talking about the new (MSO/DSO) versions --

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-- they have 1Mpt record lengths. I would agree that the old TDS series were very, very limited with the 2.5kbpt memories!

I can see a certain attraction to the TPS2000 series (John Larkin has one) -- while still 2.5Kpts, it has four fully isolated channels, so you can save some money over instead having to purchase a bunch of differential probes (although a differential probe is better if you have high common mode voltages -- subtracting two scope channels mathematically has pretty cruddy CMRR, typically, and suppresses your dynamic range).

Speaking of isolated input scopes... Tek just announced their THS3000 series

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which is clearly just a small update/revision to the Fluke 190 ScopeMeters. The benefits of being part of the Danaher family, I guess...

---Joel

AFAIK, speech mannerisms are nurture, rather than nature.

The Australian mannerism that I find amusing is the rising intonation at the end of a sentence, sort of turning a statement into a question.

;-)

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Nickel?

More than one finger, I'd prefer.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." (Richard Feynman)

And why shouldn't an Aussie always answer a question with a question?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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