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My original point was that you're full of shit, but the "full retirement age" is a fact. Even your quotes say as much. Did your mother have any children that lived?

By the way Bill, it is not always about absolute dollars, but instead about cashflow. If it takes X dollars per month to keep your head above water, you may defer retirement past age 72 to get maximum monthly income instead.

I expect to see 90+ myself. Nor do i find it unlikely to hit triple digits.

Run the actual numbers. I did. As I approached 65 I looked at the Social Security payout versus retire now or delay to 70. Retiring at

70 took *8* years to catch up to the total take if I retired at 65. Who know if you'll really live that long?

You never know when that big event will reach out and get you.

For example, Friday night, in my office (organized as piles of paper and boxes on the floor :) I stepped over a pile onto a piece of paper, slipping, folding up my left leg like it's never been folded before, and, as my wife observed, my head missing my solid oak desk by a fraction of an inch as I hit the floor :-(

I'm in pain, but think I'm OK. Remember my father fell off a pickup truck while trying to unload a snow blower by himself, but lived quite a few years after that ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Did you add interest the interest on the five years income, between 65 and 70? IIRC it's more like 20 years to make up the difference. I'll have to run them for myself (a few years yet), but as I recall the wait from 62 to 65 (66 in my case) is a no-brainer, given the penalties, but waiting until 70 was a definite loser.

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What a coincidence. I have been updating my retiremement spreadsheet these past few days. With SSI and Medicare in disarray and the difficulties of quantifying Ombummercare correctly it is distinctly messy.

So, cheated Darwin yet again, huh? >;->

Do you have machinery in place of your heart, like Dick Cheney?

Thanks, Rich, plainclothes hippie! %-}

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1. My statement says I would get about 82% more at age 70 verses 62, so it works out to about 12 years at 5% investment rates. But there are other variables such as COLA increases, and additional payments into the system from working to age 70. It's not a simple problem, so it might take 20 years to break even considering all details. I don't know of any source that will factor the details. I don't think the Feds want us to know.

cls Principal=3D1 Age62 =3D 1000 : Rem early retirement payment Age70 =3D 1830 : Rem 83% increased payment at age 70 Rate =3D .05 For Year=3D1 to 8 For Month=3D1 to 12 Principal =3D Principal + Age62 + ((Principal*Rate)/12) Next Month Next Year Difference =3D Age70-Age62 RecoveryYears =3D (Principal/Difference)/12 Print "Years to break even is"; RecoveryYears

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Are you just trying to hide your idiotic statements with more?

If you request one they will send out a letter that says how much you get at various points. That printout would help a bit with planning.

Make no assumptions when it comes to SS. They do funny guv'ment math.

From their very own tables 70 vs 65 gave more per annum, but it took ~8 years to break even with what you would receive starting at 65. Unless you live at Mayo clinic, predicting your longevity is pretty iffy :-) ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
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No, the age *you* retire may be 62. That is *not* what the SSA defines as "full retirement".

I "retired" at 54, however the SSA doesn't much care.

You don't need a calculator. You need a dictionary, and a brain.