Build your own Over Unity Motor

John Popelish

's_law As I said, it will move as the result of an induced current. Lenz's law doesn't say it won't work.

The law is a physical interpretation of Faraday's law of induction, which indicates that the induced emf and the change in flux have opposite signs. Heinrich Lenz formulated the law in 1834.

Which is the same as this issue of Scientific American.

{I had to click on that link twice to make it work. Once after the web page loaded.

With the exception that one is a statement and Lenz's Law, and the other is a physical example of that said statement.

Tom Bruhns,

I know that you think the world owes you an explaination on a silver platter, or that anyone and everyone should be spending money like they don't need to live. So, frankly, you can f*ck yourself. There are too many people that know too much more than you and your wishes would have. Plenty of Engineers Design Electric Motors, and have the modeling software. There are companies out there with engineers that can understand it and don't need the demonstration. Fuck yourself.

If the magnet were a coil with a AC current flowing through it this would happen:

Bullshit! This is simple transformer theory, Stator =3D Primary, Rotor =3D Secondary and the induced currents produce a magnetic field that is in opposition. As a result of the induced currents there is also an attraction caused in other parts of the rotor. A squirrel cage motor doesn't make that easy to follow.

Look at the parts:

Okay, here you prove that you don't really know what you are talking about.

There is no remembering. But, there is a word for what you might mean by that.

It actually pushes and pulls on the rotor, and it is all a result of induced currents in the copper parts of the squirrel cage motor and currents that magnetize the core. But, it really is working as a Stator/Primary transformer winding Rotor/Secondary Transformer winding. The direction of current flow through the squirrel cage is different in different places as it moves. It don't remember anything.

No, the transformer is a solid block of metal for all intensive purposes, it can't because there is no structural way that it could. Even a DC magnet can produce massive changes in the internal core pressure of the magnetic core.

This would not work if what I just wrote wasn't true:

Open circuit, no current flow, no magnetic fields. Short Circuit, high current flow, magnetic fields. AC allows for Series Tuned circuits to stand in for real short circuits, and if the the inductor is the primary of a 1:1 there is no detuning only a change in the Q of the inductor.

No, this is where you fall your ass, 1:1 isolation transfomer, series resonant circuit constructed of the primary winding. Acts like a short at AC Frequency of Power Source when open on the secondary, Q drops still acts like short when secondary is shorted. Should have read the schematic.

American.http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11498/11498-h/11498-h.htm#4

Well, as a dreamer, the least you can do is be polite. John spent a lot more time than I would have, trying to have a discussion. Having taught motor theory in college, I see a lot of holes in the theories and documents you cited, starting with "Over unity". An squirrel-cage induction motor can't do that, no matter how much you cuss at John.

Frank

American.http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11498/11498-h/11498-h.htm#4

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The Flavored Coffee Guy wrote: (snip)

In a transformer, what causes the secondary open circuit voltage?

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Moving the rotor at the synchronous rate will mimic a transformer with no load on the secondary - a little faster, and it looks like the transformer is supplying energy from secondary to primary. There's a name for a motor used this way, I can't remember what it is ;-)

Frank

Cactus "extract" makes you "sharper" ;-)

I suspect "The Flavored Coffee Guy" eats dung beetles.

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I think it may be a cactus extract.

If it really works the way you say go get rich using it. Until then go away.

Think about it. You'll generate an answer. If you get too slow, we'll have to motorvate you! ;-)

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Strong Claim. But, the Motor Design is simple, but you keep locking out the series tuned circuit.

Instead of the short circuit seen in the 1887 July Issue of Scientific American, which you must not have really read, this circuit is applied:

Instead of an inductor a 1:1 transformer is used:

And you all keep erasing the fact that the primary is an inductor and the secondary is an inductor. But, in Spice, they don't.

And what's left of that. Well, Lp=3DLs=3DLm when the transformer is a 1:1 transformer and L does not change as a result of a change in the load. With a step up or step down transformer the value of Lp does change when the load changes. But, never with a 1:1 turns ratio, or isolation transformer. Lp is stable and Q of Lp changes.

For a proper definition of Q

I don't need to be polite to somebody who keeps pretending to know it all and is rude by it via the level of conciet expressed through his demanding insistance to his claim of understanding the full extent of the Universe and every law of physics in play. Still, this man has not built an anti-gravity machine or put one object in orbit. So, I'm not willing to place that kind of faith in his declarations or statements.

Depends on the cactus and which extract. Peyote cactus and mescaline for the extract for example.

that explains the contents of the post :)

bloody laughable. Like Tom said, if it really worked, build & demonstrate one. Then spend the rest of your life laughing as Bill Gates & the Sultan of Brunei struggle desperately to earn as much money as you.

Cheers Terry

Terry Given wrote in news:1205815532.108896@ftpsrv1:

So far all the Over-Caffeinated Person has done is to dodge that very question.

He's never going to even attempt to built anything. Typical. He stopped being funny for me and fell into my killfile.

--Damon

some of the over-unity stuff is pretty funny. I saw one website crapping on about putting magnets in transformers. it was hilarious. His SMPS got

5x more efficient when he added the magnet, so he extrapoltaed to over-unity. Of course he stuck 800mW in, and got about 6mW out before the magnet, 30mW afterwards. duh...

Cheers Terry

I build the circuits and when they work, I write about them. I often wonder why I waste my time posting to the newsgroups. Anyone that takes the time to argue, doesn't go to any of the links, and if they do, they don't really read the material there.

When you go to this link, there are several different motor designs that consist of using AC currents, the stator as the primary and bushes to short the secondary. At no point is the motor designed outside of transformer physics.

You tend to come out here when you click on the link:

Then you need to click on the HTML format link for the "main site"

Then on this link: III. ELECTRICITY.--Phenomena of Alternating Currents.--By Prof. ELIHU THOMSON.--16 illustrations.

And it really gives you the wiring diagram and everything for a motor that could work.

It doesn't cover how Series Resonance can be used in a circuit that utilizes the primary as the inductor and the secondary in isolation. Nor the details of how an isolation transformer works or works differently than step up or step down transformers do to the 1:1 winding ratios.

I've taken my signal generator out, placed a capacitor on parallel with the primary of a bifilar wound 1:1 transformer and it only resonates at one frequency. Basically, the ring of the circuit dies out on the oscilloscope. Secondary Open, the ring lasts and the energy is stored in the primary as an inductor. Secondary Shorted, Q=1 or it doesn't resonate or ring value is equal to 1 for the primary. The primary produces the magnetic lines, and the secondary consumes them at the same rate. Changing frequencies, resonance is still centered on the same frequency with the primary open or shorted. That means that the reflected impedance of the secondary on the primary only shows you the time constant for that inductor slow the rise time in current flow through the primary with a net self inductance of 0 because that was absorbed by the secondary being shorted.

I don't know why I attempt logic with politicians that feel that every law of physics is equally as arguable as a speed limit, stop sign, or how much of bikini to wear. You know that fat lady would call seeing a perfect naked body harassment. Jealousy, embarrassment, and feeling of guilt and inadequacy is all fine by me. Especially, if it motivates you to live a healthier lifestyle. Therefore, obesity is the epidemic, and public nudity the cure.

that first PDF you linked to is basically drivel.

electromechanical dynamics is very well understood - except, that is, by whomever wrote that dreadful document (their english is pretty piss-poor too).

One should always be suspicious of lengthy, verbose "waffly stories" containing tedious descriptions based around crude analogies.

If they really knew what they were talking about, they would have been able to supply some. no maths = no understanding, as a ROT.

dude, we've been building motors that work for > 100 years. try reading woodson & melcher.

so? an LC circuit resonates. startling revelation.

pointless tosh.

all of these idiotic "over unity" sites suffer from the same problem - a complete inability to build and demonstrate a single working device. "oh but you didnt understand my pseudo-maths" is the usual response.

more than 2/3 of the worlds electricity is used to power motors, which ALL operate in accordance with the laws of thermodynamics and of course Maxwells equations. If you reckon you have something that challenges these well established theories, all you have to do is make one.....

measuring the efficiency of a motor is trivial, so build one and get a real engineer to measure its efficiency.

but no, instead you crap on about utilising series resonance cos its "lossless", clearly forgetting that your series-resonant circuit is made of real conductors & dielectrics.

feeble.

Cheers Terry

Hey, with proper funding he could build one with a 30 * bigger magnet and achieve over unity....

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