Bit of electronics for a change, circuits, chips! yummy jummy! (2023 Update)

Ed is probably mind locked into thinking by using energy to accelerate the car, the energy is "spent". But the momentum is simply stored energy, same as in the battery. Like a pendulum, the car moves the energy between potential (in the battery) and kinetic (in the velocity of the car), and can do so very efficiently and repeatedly. The energy that is spent on overcoming friction, is just the original 52 kWh of energy. But you spend very little of that energy in acceleration and regen losses, leaving much more for actually moving the car against friction.

way too lossy

If there's one fuel idea for cars & homes that's truly insane, it's hydrogen.

too much of a security problem to even consider, let alone other problems

yes, eventually. Imagine US roads filled with land yachts!

What the greens refuse to admit is that fossils are really the only sensible option for most drivers.

I believe this has been discussed here before. It's not lossy much at all. In fact, it has lower losses than attaching through a cable and connector.

Yes, it's so much worse than having natural gas or propane in your home or even gasoline, the stuff that raises your insurance rates by simply having a garage to put it in, even if you don't use it!

Yes, not many people will admit something that's not true, unless they are being tortured.

What is wrong with you exactly?

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Sep 2022 21:33:32 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Nothing wrong with him, what's wrong is the "'all electric' and let's destroy all other means" jive We see coal plants closing, perhaps oil refineries closing, nuclear plants being shutdown... All out of fear (mongering by greenish looking idiots), And AS SOON AS THEY GET ANY COLD FEET THEY RE-OPEN THOSE NUCLEAR AND COAL PLANTS as we now see in Germany [1] So what we need is DIVERSITY so emergency services can works after the solar storm takes out all 'lectric wiring and we need to keep hand on experience with all those technologies so we can actually bring those online in a flash. Big comet, volcanos, flooding, wars, probability 100% in the coming years.

[1] Here I did read a warning from a nuclear power plant company that those plants are not designed to just go on and off randomly... So ...

SO COOL IT A BIT WITH YOUR 'TRICKETY DRIVE

I was even considering buying a gasoline generator to have 'trickety here if things keep going this way as petrol is getting cheaper again..

400 dollars buys you a very good one that can power washer etc..

And you can put that generator in the back of your 'lectric thing if needed.

You are a strange bird. You babble a lot about "fear" and tell people what to do. But you can't discuss any of the facts.

What little to do mention, you distort. Germany is looking for energy as a result of the war in eastern Europe. Perhaps you've heard of it.

Not sure why I respond to you. You won't discuss the facts rationally. You much prefer to put spin on everything and let it fly away.

Bottom line is, BEVs are being made in exponentially increasing numbers. Every car they can make is bought up with a months long wait list. In 10 years, nearly all cars sold will be BEV, not by mandate, but by choice, as people understand how well BEVs work for personal transportation.

There's a number of loud mouths around who denounce BEVs based on where they were yesterday without seeing where they are today and will be tomorrow. But these people can be safely ignored.

In 10 years there won't be much in the way of ICE made. In 20 years, there won't be much in the way of ICE driven. Gas stations will largely be a thing of the past. If you have an ICE, you will need to fill up at airports and the prices will be sky high (pun intended).

These are facts. It's not like there's any real reason for BEVs to not become popular. The "bumps" in the road will be worked out. By that I mean the ability to charge at home and at work. People aren't going to buy an ICE just to avoid the slightly longer fueling time on highway trips, when they can save $1,000+ a year in operation costs.

Actually, because all three options end up offering you more expensive energy than solar cells and wind turbines. You do have to budget for some grid storage if you want to use them to supply all your energy, but even throwing the cost of grid storage and the 15% loss of energy involved in sticking the energy into a battery - you only get back about 85% of what you put in - it is still a decidedly cheaper option

The Russian invasion of the Ukraine, and the consequent shutting off of Russian natural gas shipments is the problem here. Shutting them off is still the cheapest option, but until you've installed all the solar cells and wind turbines that you are going to need, you've got to rely on the old stuff.

But solar cells and wind turbines are much more dispersed than coal and nuclear plants. If you'd got solar cells on your roof and a Tesla power wall inside your house, you can get by without any grid at all.

Jan needs to cool it with his enthusiasm for antiquated power sources. He may have grown up with them, but they are now an expensive extravagance.

It's not going to keep on getting cheaper - quite the reverse.

And if you've got the money to buy the gasoline, and there's still somebody in reach who can sell it to you.

On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Sep 2022 00:59:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote in snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Well, I have now about 500 W peak solar. And a big 250 Ah lifepo4 battery pack, chargers, and a pure sinewave converter to 230 V 50 Hz So most will work for things like cooking for example, lights, TV perhaps but not in winter. Windmills are fine but not practical to put one next to - or on the house here. People feed solar back into the main grid, there was some to do on TV about it here,

1 kWh costs 65 cents now and they pay people 16 cents for a kWh fed back into the grid. grid ... greed, etc Am not going to feed anything back in this situation.

Not really, nuclear can be relatively cheap: France run 75 % of their 'trickety on nuclear. Allows them to make their own nukes too.. advantage with US threatening to destroy Europe out of fear for competition.

Think about it, if that 'trickety driving goes mainstream then a huge amount of unused oil will cause the price of that stuff to drop, and 'trickety will get ever more expensive, Anyways the wiring in some places here where I live is already maxed out so much that new companies cannot even get a power connection,.. So infrastructure.... cost

Easy to store enough in some jerrycans to get past the next outage, jerrycans are a lot cheaper than batteries.

On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Sep 2022 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Well with WW3 in 2024, in 10 years from now there will be cooking on wood for the survivors. If any animals survive you maybe horse-riding or on a donkey !!

Due to climate change most of Affrica wil have moved to N America and black warlords will rule that place, You will need bow and arrow to hunt for your next meal or eat insects. .

!!

Days of future past History, Roman empire, dark ages, religious procecution and wars,

Future of humanity looks dark now we cannot go to Mars as ELon is busy twittering and NASA cannot even fix hydrogen leaks... All hope is now on China, and Mars will be a RED planet with a commie government.

All hope is now on you to prevent it!!!

;-) ? :-) !

The main grid hates it, at the moment, because the existing wasn't designed for that job. Upgrading the main grid to cope with a lot of roof-top solar is going to take time and money, and - in the short term - it's cheaper to discourage it.

grid ... greed, etc Am not going to feed anything back in this situation.

Half the price I have to pay for my electricity cover the cost of maintaining the grid. If you feed electricity back into the grid you are exploiting the grid exactly the same way, but expecting to get paid for it. It's not surprising that the only offer you 16 cents per kW.hr.

They may sell it to somebody else for 65 cents, but 32 cents cover the cost of maintaining the grid, so they are giving you half of what they clear.

It's still expensive electricity, and nuclear plant output can't be turned up or down all that far.

Sadly, the oil has to stay unused.

I read about that in the Volkskrant when I was in the Netherlands in June. They did report it as the grid planners being incompetent about building the new transmission capacity that they knew they were going to need.

Geert Wilders probably managed to get it screwed up to get himself something to agitate about.

But you still have to fill them.

Where are the private investors? A friend of mine has explained this to me. All research and then some were paid for by the defence budget in France, possibly to get sympathy for the nuclear weapons program. The cheap electricity is a fallacy. If that were true, private investors flock to nuclear.

Groetjes Albert

fredag den 30. september 2022 kl. 14.06.53 UTC+2 skrev none albert:

long and risky investment

On a sunny day (Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:06:44 +0200) it happened albert@cherry.(none) (albert) wrote in <nnd$0c7260ec$1fdb06c2@739bfca3030c89b0>:

US has done its best to prevent nuclear energy in Europe taking of, their agent Merkel used Fuckupshima fear to close the German nuclear reactors so they cannot make a bomb.

Now that US had destroyed all gas pipes to Europe so it can sell there own low quality stuff, killing their own people with fracking to do it, the importance or EU energy independence becomes more and more clear and at least for now some German nuclear power plants stay open. The absurd push for all transport electric [1] requires even more electric power generation. as we have no real storage means for that amount of electricity, wind and sun come and go, nuclear (or water power where there can be dams) is about the only option left.

The US is a bunch of dirty savages and a weapon producing industry that sells mass destruction and destabilizes countries that do not dance to its tunes and even those that do!!! They were the first to use the bomb.. However as the IQ there is dropping, population is mostly import from countries where standard of living in nill and crime the normal, large part of US is drug addicted, its future is dim to say the least. Where Russia will hit back I do not know, but a bit of iodine salt may help them poor 'merricans to live longer in their below normal standard of living where kids shoot each other at school every day now it seems. Good riddance! People of the US REVOLT, you are being sacrificed for a destruction industry We in Europe need to replace all CIA controlled leaders and kick NATO out and replace it by our own super powerful (hopefully) army and make peace with Russia We should confiscate all funds and money from 'merricans to pay for the repair of those pipelines and for the housing cost of the refugees. To make it short, kryptonite we need Nature will do the rest, hurricanes, Andreas fault, what's the name of that other thing, and climate change of course US will go the way of the Aztecs, those left pyramids US left skyscrapers...

Here some links to Russian floating nuclear power plants to power coastal areas:

for seawater desalination: nuclear is expensive as regulations by freaked out green idiots make building a nuclear power plant expensive, while those greens should actually be more afraid of their own incompetence to make reliable power .

I have spoken!

[1] all electric means no power for emergency services you will need a LOT of those in WW3. even now in Florida...

There is more you just got me started REVOLT!

I'm just curious - but why would US methane be of lower quality than Russian methane? ( I know there will be some other alkanes present but they are not going to make much difference to its quality as a fuel.)

John

You are assuming that Jan Panteltje knows what he is talking about. He may not be a dumb as a a and Gnatguy, but he is more interested in being rude about what the US might be doing than he is in getting stuff right. He's more a Geert Wilders fan that a Donald Trump fan, but it's not a dramatic difference.

On a sunny day (Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened John Walliker snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

US natural gas:

oil:

I don't see how either of those links relate to the question I asked. The first one discusses whether the added odorants are present in sufficient concentrations in gas supplied in one particular area to allow gas leaks to be detected and mentions harmful contaminants, again in one particular area. The second discusses oil, not gas.

There is no comparison between bulk supplies from either country.

John

The biggest opposition to nuclear power (though not the most visible) is the fossil fuel lobby. Backdoor funding to the "green" anti-nuclear movement for decades, who don't even realise they've been manipulated.

CH

In the US they won't take the risk unless the government guarantees the loans. Nuclear is just not a viable solution ignoring all the health and safety issues.

He's being disingenuous, with the comment about fracking. We all know that the US gets their methane from cow flatulence. No fracking required. Or maybe he's talking about the fracking the cows do?