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Dec 28, 2011 25 Replies

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That trick works well with coarse buffers, e.g. NPN and PNP followers with their bases tied together.

It works better if you put the power amp inside the feedback loop, though. Otherwise the output impedance changes pretty radically, and one doesn't use buffers with high impedance loads.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

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Hi Jamie, Yeah I tried that too. I also tried Jan's 'feed forward' trick.

Here's what I finally got to work consistantly.

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I saw that later in the thread. Another thing i have found is that many opamps do not do well as buffers. A stage gain of +2 often works better in many subtle ways. Proposing stage gains of 5 followed by 2.

May not make any difference though.

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In order to avoid input CM problems on the output stage amplifier, just eliminate it...

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Thanks, Fred.

Williams's Law: "Always invert, unless you can't."

Part of the problem with that approach is that the closed-loop bandwidth of the buffer stage drops, which makes it much harder to stabilize the loop.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

But it drops too if you don't invert and build gain into the last stage for CM reduction.

Thanks, Fred.

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