A new medical thing...

Mo naturally has super low BP. She can't stand up suddenly without getting a little dizzy.

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I think the real issue is what is causing it to be low. But excessively lo w BP can have negative repercussions as well. I recall you are having medi cal problems, but I don't recall if they are heart related. Is your heart failing in any way? Or has your blood pressure always been low?

Rick C.

Boy, there are a LOT of people who would KILL to get their pressure down to that!

Jon

Hypotension is less common than hypertension but it does exist as a medical problem for some people.

The way I understand it, a single BP reading or readings taken over a short period is not a reliable indication of what is normal or abnormal for an individual. 120/80 is often cited as "normal" but it's really the statistical average for a large number of healthy people.

I know people who feel perfectly fine with *consistent* BP levels of 140/100 or 100/60 whereas some, like my sister-in-law, cannot even sit up in bed whenever their systolic nudges 120.

I would get your own meter and take your BP regularly. Try it without the d rug first because if you take the drug and it doesn't work it is worse.

I would look more at symptoms, like do you get a bit dizzy when you get up fast ? If your lungs work really well and your blood is full of O2 you don' t need as much blood flow. Doctors go usually by statistics on such matters and really, if I had no symptoms I would have grilled the doc about just h ow important this is.

You could also test yourself many ways. One would be to lay down for a whil e, if you take naps that would be perfect. When you get up make it a point to walk across the house briskly, though not up or down stairs until you're sure you're alright. If there are no signs of dizziness or lightheadedness then consider whether you want to take this drug.

I am not saying to stop taking it or refuse it, I'm saying that participati ng on your own health management is the best. And they are not always right . If your BP were to fog up too much, would the doc say to stop this drugs or give you another for the high BP ? You might be surprise at how many wou ld take the latter approach.

I had been researching health and its related issues long before I got sick on the severe mold years ago, which I think would have killed many people, and also before my fall last year that damaged my internal organs and gave me again a bad back due to a fracture at L1 with permanent compression of

25 - 50 %. My bad back was cured by a very profound change in diet, along w ith my almost gone knee joints which many say cannot repair themselves. I a m walking proof otherwise.

So be proactive in your care. This is a brand new drug to you so NOW is the time to experiment and find out about its efficacy, not after your body be comes not only conditioned to it, but saturated with it. Then your observat ions are far from accurate, but not yet.

I just now looked it up, though wiki is not perfect they usually so have ac curate basic information.

In August 2011 the FDA pulled its approval off that drug, and then the net month gave it back pending more research results. Do you smell a "favor" do ne ? This means YOU are the guinea pig.

I won't list the contraindications here, but it looks like anyone with flui d problems especially renal related should not take this drug. Side effects include fluid problems possibly including headaches probably induced by th ose fluid problems.

It appears to possibly the the opposite of a vasodilator, but I am not sure . You'll have to look it up yourself but wiki does have a short page on it :

You can start there. I look up every drug they give me. I look up every pro cedure and everything. I have seen so much incompetence in professionals I check things out.

They overmedicated my Father on vasodilators, and one time made a mistake i n the prescription tripling the dose. He was already into some mental side effects, he shouldn't have been allowed to drive, but he never cared what w as allowed anyway. If he had been in a home where someone else administers the drugs it's likely he would have not lived those last few years, and the n they know how to cover things up so you practically have to torture them to be able to sue them.

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NT

Did they try Both arms? The girls at the hospital could never get a correct reading on my mother's left arm.

Cheers

"Feeling fine" isn't a measure of good blood pressure. I've been

*way* higher than that and "felt fine". High blood pressure wreaks havoc on many organs, but especially the kidneys. 140/100 is high, no matter how good you feel.

My wife's used to be 60/40. A new doctor would jump in alarm and quickly ask her to sit down before she fell, even though she was fine.

One suggested eating salt if she ever felt faint. Vegemite on bread or a biscuit is the Aussie way to do that :)

Clifford Heath

As one of my doctors noted, exercize increases your blood pressure.

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That one is an asshole, fire him/her. Salt only raises blood pressure by making the body retain water and that's the last thing you want.

Too much water can cause pneumonia, pleurisy and fluid in the pericardium(SP) among other conditions much worse than low blood pressure.

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If you don't have a problem with retaining water, that is a lower risk than low blood pressure which can make you pass out which, at the wrong time, can be life threatening at the least.

Rick C.

an low blood pressure which can make you pass out which, at the wrong time, can be life threatening at the least. "

If you've had low BP according to the textbooks for years and never passed out then your physiology just doesn't happen to conform to the norm. If the re is no symptom and the condition is chronic there is no problem. If it is a new development that is different, however that is not how the OPer pres ented it.

As Jim seems to have a decent command of the English language it is reasona ble to assume that "my 97/58" is nothing unusual. He did not write "has gon e down to" or any such thing.

His average vascular pressure is 77.5 mm./Hg and pulse pressure of 39. If h is arteries and veins are not clogged up that is plenty to assure flow. In fact logically a vasoconstrictor should be contraindicated as it makes nece ssary more average vascular pressure to assure flow. But that is what the b ook says to get his body to conform to the book.

While salt is actually a slightly better choice it is by no means a good ch oice for the reasons I stated previously. While the body is mostly water, t here is a limit. Tissues are porous and water seeps into places it does not belong. Excess water can cause nearly every problem imaginable depending o n where it decides to reside.

I would test the theory - stand up fast, other sudden physical exertion and things like that. If they do not result in dizzyness, lightheadedness or any other such symptoms and my BP had been that low for a long time I would simply either refuse to take the drug, or as I said observe its effects w hich include a general feelgood/feelbad metric.

This is not being obstinate and ignoring your doctor, it is being proactive in your own health management. Not everyone has textbook numbers or respon ses. Some doctors, though educated, are simply not smart enough to realize that and incorporate it into their own health management protocols.

Another thing I would recommend Jim is to get one of those BP meters, they are cheap enough. Check BP several times a day without the drug at all. Fin d out if there are times when it is consistently low. In fact, as a doctor I would have recommended that first rather than reaching for the script pad . Just take it maybe four times a day and write down the readings. In my co nsidered opinion not to do so is either due to less than optimum competence or diligence.

When I had the acute ascites, while in the nursing/therapy center, they rec eived orders to measure my gut periodically to see how much liquid was in m y abdomen. As such, when I left I decided to do it myself. Every day since near the beginning of the year I measure my gut and calf and record the rea ding. When enough data are compiled I make a chart on graph paper. (I can't do Excel, piece of shit) At first I presented the graph to my doctor at th e next visit and he was impressed and pleased. I asked if I should continue and he said yes quite strongly. If I were he I would have at least suggest ed that to a patient in my condition but he no doubt has become accustomed to patients who are not generally competent and just can't figure things ou t. These charts lead to a reduction in my diuretic dosage by half, and the numbers are holding so I think another reduction will be called for soon. S ince he is satisfied enough with my condition, noting that my progress is v ery good, I am not to see him for several months now. So I will probably re duce the dose on my own, and of course keep the records just the same, and when I do see him I will show and tell him of the results. Since my measure ment have been very stable lately I think ALL the fluid is gone. It only go es up a bit when I eat heavily or drink alcohol late the night before. Then in a day or two it is back to normal.

If I were Jim, other than being on the lookout for symptoms and actually tr ying to induce them, I would record my BP about four times a day and make a graph with Excel if possible, if not simply with graph paper. I would do t his at least a coupe weeks before taking even one of these pills.

I am not a doctor so this is not to be construed as medical advice per se, but it is logical advice. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to state their ca se, simply comparing diplomas will not suffice.

Besides reading up everything I can on the specific drug, I check for interactions via:

...Jim Thompson

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Have you seen this Jim?

That should fix the low blood pressure for a while!

Seriously though you might want to look into the 58 number. With 97 as the peak it should be lower - unless you have significant hardening of your arteries - which you probably don't want.

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I like how the just come out and say he is guilty until proven innocent. And they didn't even mention him taking money in any way as they accused him of taking a bribe.

Yeah, I guess that could raise blood pressure.