30 years after Intel lost its smoking tradition

Trump doesn't smoke or drink. Obama stoll smokes.

It sure looks to me like leftists and artsy types are most prone to addictions, drugs and alcohol and tobacco. Look at how many musicians and actors have OD'd. The least addicted group in the USA is probably Mormons.

Folmsbee, Sr. Design Engineer at Intel up to 1987.

Understand. When I first started work in Huntsville , I worked in the HIC building. It was originally a cotton gin. The change of air did not meet the building code. It was one huge room that had been divided into three r ooms so the amount of smoke was not as noticeable. But if you stood in the right place you could see thru the doors of the wall that divided the spac e. And the smoke was visible.

It was hell on my sinuses. So I bitched to my supervisor and then to my ma nager. Fortunately my manager remembered that there was one job out on the arsenal that he had to release me if they wanted me. I interviewed and go t the job. It did have the disadvantage of being a priority job and I spen t the next six months or so working a 58 hour week until the job was finish ed.

I consider myself a mild Republican.

Dan

Mormons have many "issues" with all kinds of stuff, they're just better at hiding it/throwing large amounts of Church money at problems as a quick fix to stay looking good. They'll gladly throw a lot of Church money at expensive rehab treatments...a couple times. If that doesn't work, well, you're not in the Church anymore. 100% success rate!

You bought that holier-than-thou goodie-two-shoes nothing-but-clean-living routine? Hmph.

Source: Mother, 20 year resident of Salt Lake City

Yeah, "least addicted" indeed.

I'm of two minds on OP's situation, mind A: yeah, it was a good thing to do and likely saved lives.

Mind B: Um, dude it's Intel in like 1984 of course it's going to be full of stodgy squares from the 1960s who want to smoke stogies in the office, do the three martini lunch thing and grab secretary's asses.

Did OP not know what he was getting into? Kind of like walking into a room of Evangelicals and trying to sell them on Zen Buddhism you're probably going to get a bit of pushback to put it mildly. You know that job was "dangerous" when you took it.

I would've probably given it a shot and then if there was major resistance shrugged and said "oh well smoke yourself to death if that's what you wanna do" and gone someplace else. Nothing wrong with trying to play do-gooder sometimes but gotta accept that often personal satisfaction has to be its own reward - nobody is necessarily going to fall all over themselves to thank you, even if it turns out you're right. Can't "save" everybody, a lot of people don't wanna be "saved."

And you heard it from possibly the most ignorant person in this group.

Rick C.

Add to that the following facts: (a) they seem to not be able to read a "NO trespassing" sign EG they enter "to spread the word", (b) they seem to not be able to see a plainly marked doorbell EG has picture of a dinner bell on button, (c) they seem to not be able to understand English EG "get off the property" and "do not come back".

Am sure other "desirable" attributes can be added.

Are we supposed to know what you mean by EG?

Rick C.

We got a fair number of door-to-door proselytizers of various sects in the 1980s and early 1990s in Massachusetts, it seems to be a tradition that's fallen off in recent times here. I can't remember encountering one in many years. A bit odd considering it's one of the states where you're a bit less likely to be shot to death for trespassing.

Maybe they all just figured we were irredeemable /shrug

Every company across America phased out smoking over a relatively short tim e in the same time frame--mid to late 1980's. It went from smoking freely

- to dedicated rooms - to no more smoking in about 5 years time. All in th e same time frame , around 1985 through 1990. Not just Intel, but everywhe re.

When I was in high school in mid 1970's, they had a smoking area set up jus t outside the cafeteria and any student could smoke there without consequen ce.

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Really? Which states allow you to be shot simply because you walked up to knock on a front door? If that were the case there would be a lot more dea d summons servers.

Rick C.

ime in the same time frame--mid to late 1980's. It went from smoking freel y - to dedicated rooms - to no more smoking in about 5 years time. All in the same time frame , around 1985 through 1990. Not just Intel, but everyw here.

ust outside the cafeteria and any student could smoke there without consequ ence.

You may think 5 years is a short period, but I recall it was a slow and pai nful process. The place I worked went through stages of limiting where you could smoke (starting with the not very useful "only at YOUR desk" to "onl y in the break room" (still not very good for anyone else since the break r oom became a smokey den) to finally making them go outside. It was some 10 years or more later that even the hospital banned smoking outside because anyone not a smoker would stand right by the doorway and blow smoke in your face as you went by.

I don't know that any company provides a place for smokers to partake other than "not here". I suppose they don't want to be seen as approving smokin g or potentially being liable for the outcome.

Rick C.

Probably none "allow" it in a legal sense, but people do all sorts of things they're not "allowed" to do, every day!

It's illegal in Massachusetts to not stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk so you often see people confidently stride right out into traffic irrespective of what traffic is doing it's like oh okay you believe in magic.

There are smoking areas outside my CPoE. Smokers aren't pariahs in some cultures.

lemme see...standard common place contraction "for example" is "eg" from Latin; perhaps i should use a slightly less common "zb" for zum biespiel

I hear they used to let passengers smoke on commercial flights too, I liked it when granpa told me stories about the days back when people were stark-raving madmen instead of just regular madmen.

John Larkin has a lot of competition for that position. Jim Thompson, krw a nd Cursitor Doom are hot on his heels. John Larkin does specialise in being ignorant about climate change, while the others believe a wider range of r ight-wing nonsenses. James Arthur posts a lot of right-wing nonsense, but h e seems to be doing it for money or popularity which might make him corrupt , rather than ignorant.

t time in the same time frame--mid to late 1980's. It went from smoking fr eely - to dedicated rooms - to no more smoking in about 5 years time. All in the same time frame , around 1985 through 1990. Not just Intel, but eve rywhere.

p just outside the cafeteria and any student could smoke there without cons equence.

painful process. The place I worked went through stages of limiting where you could smoke (starting with the not very useful "only at YOUR desk" to " only in the break room" (still not very good for anyone else since the brea k room became a smokey den) to finally making them go outside. It was some 10 years or more later that even the hospital banned smoking outside becau se anyone not a smoker would stand right by the doorway and blow smoke in y our face as you went by.

her than "not here". I suppose they don't want to be seen as approving smo king or potentially being liable for the outcome.

There are some pariah cultures that don't discourage people from wrecking t heir health by smoking and eating too much. Krw might be a representative o f such a culture or he could just be pig-ignorant.

Ah, you mean "e.g." - the standard abbreviation for "/exempli gratia/". You haven't used it in a remotely correct context, and you got the capitalisation and the punctuation completely wrong.