Inside a wirewound pot

Started a new thread since the other was getting long/convoluted/ confusing. Even though wiping back and forth cured the wiper bounce problem discussed in previous thread, I decided to pull the pot apart to see what exactly caused the problem.

The design of this particular pot is such that there are no discrete steps as some had suggested. The helical element wire size and wiper carrier mechanisms result in the wipers tracking the element precisely. See this shot;

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Also, it's pretty obvious that this is not a "1-turn element" with some internal planetary gear mechanism faking a 3-turn pot (as one silly fellow adamantly suggested). More shots here;

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Think I'll do the following;

  1. Clean all parts with mineral spirits to remove any dried lubricant and crud
  2. Apply some deoxit to wipers, contacts and element
  3. Apply a suitable lubricant

Does this sound reasonable?

Reply to
oparr
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Sound right, though a bit expensive. The lubricant is the iffy part, I would not know what to choose, maybe a carbon or copper filled type.

I would also suggest ~1-5 nf ceramic cap between ground and wiper, providing a hold function when the wiper is a bit bouncy.

Reply to
Sjouke Burry

IIRC those pots are constructed with fine wire wrapped around an insulating rod that forms the major helix. Take a closer look with a magnifying glass at your wire to see if this is what you have. If yes, then you still have discrete steps in the resistance as the wiper slides along the element. Turning the knob slowly should allow the wiper to drop between 2 turns, bridging them, and give you a step response. Rapid turning can cause wiper bounce.

Is the Deoxit or your lubricant conductive? Art

Reply to
Artemus

First off, you dope... nobody suggested a damned thing about YOUR pot.

You already described YOUR pot in your first post as being a ten turn pot. So get off your high horse about that. You were told in the last post you said this crap that it had NOTHING to do with YOUR circumstance at all.

As far as dressing out the mechanism goes, you were not supposed to overhaul it to begin with, and it will likely never work the way it did originally.

You do not want 'deox' on it, you want 'anti-oxidant'.

Reply to
Nunya

This is proof that you really do not know much about what you speak of. They are designed specifically such that more than one wire is always in contact with the wiper at any time.

Reply to
Nunya

That is a good way to make a big, fuzzy wiper node on your pot, and make for odd parasitic effects. NO, conductive media at all gets put on the pot.

There is no need for any deox or anti-ox either, because it is stainless or Nichrome wire.

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Nunya

This one's for YOU, Archi....in celebration of your MOUTH.

A twisted old Pervo named BART! Liked to inhale his own Fart "It goes down like a dream, The gas makes me scream, And the beans are good for the heart!"

mike

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m II

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Yeah, nunya usual numpties here, that one's special. >:) Oh I am so punny today.

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Lostgallifreyan

More comic relief. Not as amus>

Reply to
oparr

You're probably right. I'll take a macro shot later. Interesting design.....The pot resistance with wipers installed is 10K. It's 33K without the wipers.

All indications are that this is a 10-turn 33K pot with only one wiper/ carrier installed. With two wipers it can be made to be < 10-turn with resistance < 33K depending where the wipers are placed (always equidistant from the ends).

I can see clearly now. The sharp lower values in the scope shots are due to the high wiper losing contact with the element leaving only the low wiper. Occassionaly, I saw positive going spikes/steps but couldn't figure out how that could happen if a single wiper lost contact with the element. Apparently, positive spikes/steps result when the low side wiper loses contact with the element leaving only the high.

If the winding cannot be seen by the naked eye then the wiper is probably shorting several turns, by design, at any given time based on the relative size of the wiper.

Actually, rapid turning back and forth cured the problem. That has always been my experience with WW pots. Probably oxide or crud buildup on the wire IMO. Trying to find a more proactive solution.

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Reply to
oparr

You are the dopey little bitch that made the ASSumption, chump!

What did your mother use to fry your genes with? Oh, that's right, you exited her colon at birth. You don't have genes.

Reply to
Nunya

There there...No need to beat yourself up, Archi..

I see you are now using google-groups. That's funny, as you've accused five other people of being complete morons for doing the same thing. Why the sudden change of heart?

mike

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m II

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Reply to
Tim Williams

Yes, you're right;

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Reply to
oparr

Be gone hell fodder. Not fazed in the least by types like you.

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Reply to
oparr

This is a text discussion forum. If you were ever fazed by anything here, you should seek professional assistance. Or go to a dojo and learn how to cull away the wussy from your being.

Reply to
Nunya

I'm happier now that you explained how a 4V drop sneaked in there, two wipers bridging large section of element.

Element wound on thick enamelled copper wire? Think I may have opened a busted one some decades ago.

Grant.

Reply to
Grant

Hi ARCHIE! You have been assessed.

Reply to
Greegor

Yes, you're right;

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------------------ Ah! The large radius of the wiper contact, when even slightly worn, should bridge enough turns at once so ignore my comment re bounce.

I have no experience with multi wipers so I can't help you there. Art

Reply to
Artemus

Archi, Archi...Was there EVER a time you didn't pay for it? Does your mom KNOW where your allowance is going?

A twisted twit named MassiveProng was told by his Mom, "Come along... and cover your weeny it's just so teeny" "But Ma, the schlong's in sis' oblong"

mike

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m II

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