Increment/Decrement Control Loops

"Jim Thompson" in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

I haven't seen the original, but from the description here, it sounds like a good old digital integrator. In case anyone who is reading this has not run into or thought about it, a digital up-down counter is precisely a DSP integrator for a one-bit input ("+- 1"). (At times in the past we made very good use of that property, and other properties of one-bit arithmetic, in digital filters for oversampling data converters.) And an integrator is the heart of many control loops.

In the early days of digital forays into the system-simulation world pioneered by analog computers (more on those in classic books by Jackson, and by Korn and Korn), people built special-purpose digital integrators, and then made loops out of them that would solve differential equations over time, just like electronic analog computers did. They were called Digital Differential Analyzers (DDAs). A single digital integrator in an AGC control loop would be a grandchild of those.

-- Max

That's what I thought, too.

...Jim Thompson

Try looking for "single-speed floating control". I think it's a really old and not-so-great control strategy.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Sounds pretty much like the old 'huff-and-puff' VFO stabiliser the radio hams used. regards john

I thought it worked rather well. My scheme looked at dwell, decided if it was early or late and moved a threshold accordingly... this happened _after_ firing so was not subject to noise from the spark.

Just like having an elf sitting there turning a knob just a small amount after each firing ;-)

...Jim Thompson

If you choose a fixed increment that is small enough it closes at "left-right-left-right-left......" ;-)

Driving a big-assed T-bird (400+CID) in 1968, up and down 101 (near Sunnyvale) at over 100MPH, I was never able to cause the ignition to stumble... scared the hell out of my boss, though ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I think it generally works better if the elf moves the knob more for large differences and less for small differences.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Perhaps I should elaborate. Waveform form (simplified, it's more rounded) from magnetic pickup in distributor:

_ _ _ / | / | / | | / | / | / | /

----------------------- THRESHOLD | / | / |_/ |_/

Downstroke is firing. When ramp crosses threshold power device (driving coil) turns on. So this crossing determines "dwell".

Device control is simple-minded (my preference :)...

Device has three states:

Off... Fired Saturated, coil charging Current mode, regulated at 5.5Amp

So I only look at two conditions... when firing occurred was I in saturation or in current regulation.

If device was in saturation, dwell didn't start soon enough so I decrement the threshold. If device was in current regulation dwell started too soon so I increment the threshold.

Worked like a champ.

...Jim Thompson

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...Jim Thompson