About SPICE3f5

I use spice3f5 to simulate an operation amplifier (netlist is attached below). I found the simulation results of spice3f5 are significantly difference from that of HSPICE2003sp1 ( about 1v difference, both OP and TRAN). What's the reason?

  • op amp M3 n_g_low n_g_low 0 0 nmos l=0.8u w=140u M4 n_d n_g_low 0 0 nmos l=0.8u w=140u M6 n_out n_d 0 0 nmos l=0.8u w=135u M1 n_g_low vin- n_source n_source pmos l=0.8u w=423u M2 n_d vin+ n_source n_source pmos l=0.8u w=423u M5 n_source n_g_hi vdd vdd pmos l=0.8u w=67u M7 n_out n_g_hi vdd vdd pmos l=0.8u w=32u M8 n_g_hi n_g_hi vdd vdd pmos l=0.8u w=2u Rc n_d n_RC 200 Cc n_out n_RC 10p Cload n_out 0 3p Ibias n_g_hi 0 19u Vdd vdd 0 5 Vin1 vin- 0 sin 2.5 10u 10 Vin2 vin+ 0 2.5 .op .tran 0.1m 1 .probe v(n_out) .print v(n_out) .model nmos nmos level=1 vto=0.7 kp=103.6u tox=20n gamma=0.298 phi=0.688 lambda=0.03 ld=0.2u uo=600 tpg=1 rsh=40 js=0.753u nsub=8e15 cj=271u cjsw=600p mj=0.5 mjsw=0.5 pb=0.904 cgso=692p cgdo=692p .model pmos pmos level=1 vto=-0.9 kp=34.5u tox=20n gamma=0.471 phi=0.730 lambda=0.06 ld=0.2u uo=200 tpg=-1 rsh=60 js=0.176u nsub=2e16 cj=423u cjsw=1.2n mj=0.5 mjsw=0.5 pb=0.928 cgso=692p cgdo=692p .option method=trap maxord=2 .end
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phanic
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Cockpit error ?:-)

What IS the 1V difference... bias differences, signal amplitude differences... what?

Any error messages?

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Both bias and signal amplitude have 1v difference. No error message.

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phanic

Both bias and signal amplitude have 1v differnce. There are no error messages.

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phanic

I thought most sub-micron models used BSIM.

-- Svenn

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Svenn Are Bjerkem

Yes. BSIM3v2 and BSIM3v3 are the most common, but the "EKV" model is coming into use fast.

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I had a crash course in EKV with Eric Vittoz at EPFL. Thought it was more a "hand-calculation" thing than a simulation model.

-- Svenn

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Svenn Are Bjerkem

I've not used it yet, but the proponents are claiming performance close to sliced bread ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
|  E-mail Address at Website     Fax:(480)460-2142  |  Brass Rat  |
|       http://www.analog-innovations.com           |    1962     |
             
         America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
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Jim Thompson

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