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I use a Infineon C509 controller on a self-developed microcontroller
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doesn't start.
Even resetting the microcontroller doesn't help !!! I have to remove
supply and reconnect it to get the microcontroller running.

Only a few components on the microcontroller board effect the startup
process of
the board:

- microcontroller C509-LM

- Address Latch  (74HC573)

- Flash  (AT29C256)
   (containing the program to run)

- GAL  (Atmel 22F22V10)
    (doing some chipselect signals)

Every component has enough capacitors on the supply pins.
When the microcontroller doesn't start, the oscillator works.

What I want to ask you is if you have any experience with the
electrical limits of one of these components. Maybe you had some
similar problems at power up, too. Right now I have no glue
where to start....



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Christian_ESP skrev:
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Remenber to pull the /HWPD and /reset up try 1kohm.

Hilsen Mikkel Lund
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Does this processor have an /EA line to access external program? Is it tied

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I'm not familiar with the C509.

If using a crystal or resonator, you might want to check the amplitude.
Possibly adjusting the capacitance to ground.
I recently had this exact same problem on an Atmel 89S8253.
Datasheet said 33pF.  Reality was it only needed 5pF.
About a month later, I came across their revised datasheet....

Good luck.

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Lots of things could go wrong. Try to find something that makes things worse
(!) You have checked all your timings during operation with a scope, I
assume ...

Some devices/systems are sensitive to the Power On waveforms, rate of rise
or non-monotonic behaviour.

Processors typically have a delay to allow a clock to stabilise - sometimes
this process takes a suprisingly long time

Perhaps the timing on your flash chip/gal is marginal, so the uP gets fed

Other things to try - raising and lowering power supply rails, heating or
cooling one chip at a time. Sometimes removing bypass capacitors reveals a

Lots of fun !


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I don't use Infineon anymore but I'd check these things: Place reset on
one scope trace, VCC on trace 2, oscillator on trace 3. Trigger on
rising VCC, 25% of full nominal or so, long time base. You may not be
able to touch the oscillator pins but taping the probe near it usually
shows something on the scope. Now look whether reset holds longer than
it takes for the oscillation and VCC to come up to speed. Pay close
attention to how VCC comes up. Bite your lips and try not to cuss when
you see that reset.

BTW the usual RC combination on the reset pin is one lousy way to do it.
No matter what data sheets say I always provide an external reset of
much better quality. An RC can fail and freeze the uC if VCC comes up
but sags back a bit before coming fully up. For example because a hard
disk is spooling up.

Regards, Joerg

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