Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'

I said no such thing. I did suggest that quantum superposition might be a good way to do complex stuff fast with millisecond wet-state logic elements.

Might be a good way to be conscious too.

People who say "impossible", and insist on a classic-physics explanation had better say why. The universe turns out not to be run by classic physics.

Why do people consistently refuse to be amazed?

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And John Larkin knows this? How?

There is a famous problem called "math for production engineers" which goes , "if one woman takes nine months to produce one baby, how long will it tak e nine women to produce one baby?" which might be seen as being about socia l justice, if looked at with sufficiently narrow tunnel vision.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

The latest "thing" with youngsters these days (mostly of the Arduino crowd) is that they are starting to refer to embedded software as "sketches".

Sketches!? Really? First they totally ruined music, now this. Aargh!

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None that John Larkin knows about. The brain is complicated, but we do know some stuff about it.

Which is to say John Larkin doesn't understand what is being claimed about them (which isn't all that much) and prefers to avoid the intellectual effo rt required to get some grasp of what is being claimed.

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What "classical model" was John Larkin thinking of?

For the same reason that DNA doesn't used an error-detecting and correction code to minimise the effects of errors in replication - the evolutionary b reak-it-and-see-if-the-broken-bits-fit-together-in-a-way-that-works process doesn't provide a route to that particular mode of operation.

Or at least not a direct one. Evolving intelligent designers who could crea te their own DNA code and matching code-reading and code-modifying enzymes might be seen as one way of getting around the problem.

John Larkin is a subscriber to the "intelligent design" fallacy but the exi stence of processes that work with close to optimal effectiveness isn't evi dence that an intelligent designer optimised them.

Darwin destroyed that idea some time ago, but the intellectually lazy haven 't yet noticed.

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bill.sloman

OK, if you're camping out in the wilderness, why would you care what time it is?

What percentage of people? I suspect it's higher now than it was 100 years ago.

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krw

But then how would they turn out perfect little socialists?

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krw

t children are increasingly finding it hard to hold pens and pencils becaus e of an excessive use of technology. " ....double pathetic.

it ridiculous they aren't banging basic math into their heads. But the si mple truth is unless you are in a field where you need to do math in your h ead like engineering, there is nothing wrong with letting machines do what machines are good at.

I find that humorous. I've done mental calculations through out my career. I don't do it when the result is crucial, but when I need to know somethi ng now as opposed to hunting for a calculator. It's just as accurate as a slide rule and I used that through half of college. Many calculations I ca n do in my head exactly. It's not hard if you try it a bit and teach yours elf the many shortcuts you find.

Rick C.

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I've seen some pretty remarkable examples of this. In one I handed the kid something like the $20.20 and he just looked at it as if it were a huge my stery, so I said, just punch it in and be surprised. The other time I was buying $10.xx in a grocery store and wanted $100 cash back. The gal got a piece of paper and wrote $100.00 and below it $10.xx and added them one col umn at a time. Then she turned to the gal next to her and asked her to che ck it.... I was floored!

But then we are the dinosaurs. They are living a life free of buggy whips. We are the ones who are stuck in a rut.

Rick C.

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Democratic socialism is about recognising everybody's opinions. If there were such a thing as a perfect socialist, and you could turn out a lot of copies, they'd all have the same opinion, all of which could be recognised at once.

Krw has some very silly ideas, and the idea that schools - given a bunch of very different kids to educate - could turn out perfect little anythings is one of the sillier ones he has come up with.

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bill.sloman

And when we are gone they will be like those species' on scifi shows that need another species to repair the machines left behind by their ancestors.

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jurb6006

They are generally pretty sketchy however.

If a sketch is a picture without a frame or end goal, it's a pretty good term for an Arduino project. The Arduino IDE tries to hide all the framework, which is often the biggest obstacle to getting an started in embedded projects.

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Clifford Heath

The number of neurons isn't the point. It's the number of synapses, (thousands per neuron) and even within a synapse there are multiple variables at work.

Penrose (and his followers, like Paul Davies) are merely wishful thinkers at best, cranks at worst. They subconsciously hope that there is some escape from "the machine", so they clutch at indeterminacy as a source of meaning, a gateway to "the other side" where there is freedom. Whatever that is.

Clifford Heath.

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Clifford Heath

Start down the trail to camp at least half an hour before sundown; it gets dark FAST up there, and the trail isn't well marked. In the wilderness, you care EXTRA HARD what time it is.

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whit3rd

You can tell by the angle of the sun above the horizon.

I do that here in Canada while shopping when I need to decide to have a pizza or to head home.

Here, clock time is of little use. In winter, the sun sets much faster. So you risk driving on slick roads in the dark with idiots trying to race home.

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"Elements" is pretty unspecific, With neurons, you've at least got somethin g countable. There are suggestions that the data processing happens at the DNA level, methylating individual amino acids, which would make the neuron

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bill.sloman

As posted by JL a while back:

Doesn't really have much to do with the gay population, all things being equal a larger population of gay men probably helps things for obvious reasons. Just too much tech money being thrown around by young men who feel paying for "it" is the best ROI.

There are a lot of howler statements from dudes in the article though:

"'Seeking Arrangement is modern feminism,' says founder Brandon Wade,

46, an M.I.T.-educated former software engineer, on the phone."

Yeah, sure.

"'You can?t tell who the hookers are anymore,' says another guy at the bar, a well-known D.J. in his 30s. 'They?re not strippers, they?re not on the corner, there?s no more madam. They look like all the other club girls.'"

He probably thinks the girls in the club approach him instead of vice-versa because they're so impressed with his "DJ" skills. Then is confused when they ask for money. They call it "soliciting" for a reason idiot.

Men are really their own worst enemies sometimes.

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bitrex

I believe there are probably limits to human understanding of complex systems, the origin of life is another one. Surely the origin of complex life must be a classical phenomena or else classical physics even as an approximation is deeply flawed. However the exact details of the process remain somewhat mysterious, and may be so always.

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Like all those folded proteins, constantly sliding patterns against one another. Trillions of tiny FIR filters and cross-correlators. Folding long-chain proteins into wiggly hairballs is a really interesting pattern search concept.

Biochemists should be forced to take Signals and Systems courses.

QM is pretty spooky. Sounds ideal for creating massively parallel computers and human feelings.

If you are hostile to creativity and new ideas and freedom and consciousness, you won't have as much fun as less determinate people.

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Of course it's deeply flawed. It can't even explain why a hydrogen atom is stable.

But might not. If it is figured out, some of us will be amazed, and some will grumble.

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John Larkin

They are called sketches because of the origin of the IDE. The Arduino IDE was based on the Processing project, which is for visual arts on a computer

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They do try to hide most of the details to make it easy to start. They do publish the processing that is done so you can go beyond the simple starter model if you want/need to. The IDE is a preprocessor for the gcc C++ tool chain so you can easily add things.

For example, I once used it to connect an optical parallel paper tape reader to a serial port. Reading the individual bits with digitalRead() wasn't going to hack it. I used the sprocket hole to trigger an interrupt and did direct register reads of the pins to get the data. The majority of the code was plain Ardunio functions.

You may wonder why paper tape? Our local computer group had a "computer archeology" meeting where people brought old stuff they still had around. Several people had paper tape from years gone by. One guy brought in some BASIC games he had written in middle school. We copied the paper tape to a file, he downloaded a BASIC interpreter and, will a few changes, was running his decades old code. It was quite a nostalgia night

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