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A gazzillion infrastructural failure mechanisms accelerated exponentially (per usual) by operation at elevated temperatures:

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This is just the stuff that makes itself known. It's the creepy hidden single-thread failures that are going to make things interesting.

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How do you know that temperature was the cause? Has the equipment not been through such before? What is their age? Everything ages and, yes, it is accelerated by temperature. Until you can answer the above questions, you and they know nothing.

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John S

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So are you saying that we're doomed and there's nothing can remedy the situation? Even if we stopped all emissions literally today, global temps would still continue to rise? That seems unduly pessimistic, because car manufacturers are spending *fortunes* to develop zero emission cars for the near future so clearly they must believe all is not yet lost?

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Cursitor Doom

It would be nice if we all could start behaving as engineers here.

Man is pee-hole in the snow compared to the sun. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Melting tundra is tipping point #1, the ocean clathrates will seal the deal . It is known that the melting permafrost in Alaska alone over every two ye ars is producing a net green house gas emission equal to that of the entire annual U.S. industrial output. Tipping point means mankind can reduce its emissions to nothing and this place will still become an inferno, and most life on Earth except for some really rugged plants and insects will die. Th e car manufacturers are about 50 years too late.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

Well there is an elite group of scientists and engineers working on an emergency backup plan of artificially shading the Earth with orbital particulate reflectors. Guess you weren't invited to the party.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

Yawn. From the photograph, it looks like nothing above ground is actually burning: "The fire was in an energized storage vault with 50,000 to 60,000 gallons of mineral oil, Humphrey said." Ok, we have a grease fire, which explains why there was so much flame and smog.

Before you announce the impending demise of civilization at we know it, you might want to check on the local electricity supply. On the left coast, SCE is a member of CalISO: Looks like demand is ahead of predictions and 27% of consumption is coming from renewables (solar, wind, etc). Capacity and usage vary, but no alerts today.

Drivel: I went to skool for one miserable semester at nearby CSU Northridge. I don't recall seeing the power station.

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"Power was restored Sunday to the remaining 94,000 Los Angeles Department of Water and Power customers in the San Fernando Valley who lost their electricity after an explosion crippled an electrical receiving station in Northridge."

Sounds like it was a distribution center, aka transformer cluster, not an actual power plant. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I can't help thinking it's these "elite groups" working in all sorts of areas that are responsible for just about everything bad that's ever happened to us in our entire history and will continue to til Doomsday.

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Cursitor Doom

"We probably haven't seen this sort of activity that involves so many residences and people in the history of the province of B.C.,"

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Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, California, Oregon, BC ...fires all over the place.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

About 10% of the surface of California burned every year before white folk, with fire trucks and flying tankers, showed up. The fires were mostly small, grass fire stuff, and most mature trees survived. But as we keep putting them out and building up fuel loads, the fires get bigger and hotter.

And 400 years ago, there weren't so many thousands to flee.

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John Larkin

Den mandag den 10. juli 2017 kl. 00.53.32 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:

and some species of trees started dying out because the fires turned out to be en important part of their life cycle

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Give it time, soon there will be no one to flee.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

There were _many_ less forest fires in the United States when forest "thinning" was allowed for lumber cutting.

Once the leftist pansies got into control, the forests became thick with underbrush and fallen limbs... one spark and all-hell breaks loose.

Plus today we have the fascist element intent on destroying the country by purposefully setting fires :-(

(Probably 85% of the forest fires in Arizona are purposefully set, the rest by poor camp fire dousing, and a few by lightning.) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I can only think of the Futurama sun mirror ;)

Cheers

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Martin Riddle

There will be some. Those with jobs will have fled to Arizona or Texas. That leave welfare queens and state workers, though I repeat myself.

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krw

Obviously not.

Half the CO2 we are emitting at the moment is going into the oceans. As the oceans warm up, the solublity of CO2 in water decreases. We are currently pushing up the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere a lot faster than global warming is pushing up the ocean temperature - it takes about 800 yea rs for atmospheric and ocean-dissolved CO2 to equilibrate.

Stopping all anthropogenic CO2 emissions today wouldn't stop global warming , but it would put a much lower upper limit on the maximum extent of global warming.

It isn't going to happen, because we need the energy we currently get from burning fossil carbon, and it's going to take a few decades to build altern aive energy sources - there enough solar power coming in to do the whole jo b, so it can be done - but we aren't yet working hard enough on that.

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bill.sloman

You do read the Mail ... and what's worse, you seem to beleive the rubbish they print.

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bill.sloman

LOL- that's hilarious!

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

There's also a remarkable tutorial on GW

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