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A gazzillion infrastructural failure mechanisms accelerated exponentially (per usual) by operation at elevated temperatures:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-power-explosion-20170708-story.html

This is just the stuff that makes itself known. It's the creepy hidden single-thread failures that are going to make things interesting.


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On 7/9/2017 9:37 AM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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It would actually be interesting to "see" (review) the "best practices"
that folks use in other industries/application domains.  Obviously, they
have guidelines that drive their designs; what assumptions do those
rely upon?

E.g., sidewalks seldom buckle as the expansion joints therein are
obviously sized for a certain amount of expansion.  That, of course,
relies on expectations of *likely* weather conditions.  It's not
practical to design for "worst case" (i.e., it will NEVER be 300F
so we'll size everything for that case just to be safe).

OTOH, you don't want to have to replace EVERY sidewalk *if* conditions
reaches some unexpected temperatures for prolonged periods of time.

What flow rates do municipal water engineers plan around when sizing
water mains?  Gas mains?  etc.

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On 7/9/2017 11:37 AM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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How do you know that temperature was the cause? Has the equipment not  
been through such before? What is their age? Everything ages and, yes,  
it is accelerated by temperature. Until you can answer the above  
questions, you and they know nothing.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 09:37:21 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

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So are you saying that we're doomed and there's nothing can remedy the  
situation? Even if we stopped all emissions literally today, global temps  
would still continue to rise? That seems unduly pessimistic, because car  
manufacturers are spending *fortunes* to develop zero emission cars for  
the near future so clearly they must believe all is not yet lost?

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 20:05:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom

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It would be nice if we all could start behaving as engineers here.

Man is pee-hole in the snow compared to the sun.
        
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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote:
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Well there is an elite group of scientists and engineers working on an emergency backup plan of artificially shading the Earth with orbital particulate reflectors. Guess you weren't invited to the party.  

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 14:46:12 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

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I can't help thinking it's these "elite groups" working in all sorts of  
areas that are responsible for just about everything bad that's ever  
happened to us in our entire history and will continue to til Doomsday.

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 22:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom

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I can only think of the Futurama sun mirror ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3EXUZVuH7Y


Cheers


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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 8:40:14 PM UTC-4, Martin Riddle wrote:
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LOL- that's hilarious!

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On 10/07/2017 11:29 PM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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There's also a remarkable tutorial on GW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjx4gJFME0


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Cheers,
Chris.

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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:04:32 PM UTC-4, Chris wrote:
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This is even more comical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ml_awEqbEE


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On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 12:27:05 AM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:
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You do read the Mail ... and what's worse, you seem to beleive the rubbish they print.

--  
Bill Sloman, Sydney


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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 4:09:15 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
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Melting tundra is tipping point #1, the ocean clathrates will seal the deal
. It is known that the melting permafrost in Alaska alone over every two ye
ars is producing a net green house gas emission equal to that of the entire
 annual U.S. industrial output. Tipping point means mankind can reduce its  
emissions to nothing and this place will still become an inferno, and most  
life on Earth except for some really rugged plants and insects will die. Th
e car manufacturers are about 50 years too late.

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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:09:15 PM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:
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Obviously not.

  
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Half the CO2 we are emitting at the moment is going into the oceans. As the
 oceans warm up, the solublity of CO2 in water decreases. We are currently  
pushing up the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere a lot faster than  
global warming is pushing up the ocean temperature - it takes about 800 yea
rs for atmospheric and ocean-dissolved CO2 to equilibrate.

Stopping all anthropogenic CO2 emissions today wouldn't stop global warming
, but it would put a much lower upper limit on the maximum extent of global
 warming.

It isn't going to happen, because we need the energy we currently get from  
burning fossil carbon, and it's going to take a few decades to build altern
aive energy sources - there enough solar power coming in to do the whole jo
b, so it can be done - but we aren't yet working hard enough on that.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney


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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT),
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Yawn.  From the photograph, it looks like nothing above ground is
actually burning:
<http://mynewsla.com/crime/2017/07/09/power-restored-for-140000-sweltering-san-fernando-valley-residents-ladwp-fire-knocked-out/
   "The fire was in an energized storage vault with 50,000 to  
   60,000 gallons of mineral oil, Humphrey said."
Ok, we have a grease fire, which explains why there was so much flame
and smog.

Before you announce the impending demise of civilization at we know
it, you might want to check on the local electricity supply.  On the
left coast, SCE is a member of CalISO:
<http://www.caiso.com/Pages/TodaysOutlook.aspx
<http://www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html
Looks like demand is ahead of predictions and 27% of consumption is
coming from renewables (solar, wind, etc).  Capacity and usage vary,
but no alerts today.
<http://www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html#Flex
<http://www.flexalert.org


Drivel:  I went to skool for one miserable semester at nearby CSU
Northridge.  I don't recall seeing the power station.

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"Power was restored Sunday to the remaining 94,000 Los Angeles
Department of Water and Power customers in the San Fernando Valley who
lost their electricity after an explosion crippled an electrical
receiving station in Northridge."

Sounds like it was a distribution center, aka transformer cluster, not
an actual power plant.
        
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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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"We probably haven't seen this sort of activity that involves so many residences and people in the history of the province of B.C.,"

http://time.com/4850808/thousands-flee-as-wildfires-destroy-homes-in-u-s-and-canada/

Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, California, Oregon, BC ...fires all over the place.

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT),
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About 10% of the surface of California burned every year before white
folk, with fire trucks and flying tankers, showed up. The fires were
mostly small, grass fire stuff, and most mature trees survived. But as
we keep putting them out and building up fuel loads, the fires get
bigger and hotter.

And 400 years ago, there weren't so many thousands to flee.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics  


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Den mandag den 10. juli 2017 kl. 00.53.32 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
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and some species of trees started dying out because the fires turned out  
to be en important part of their life cycle


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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen

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There were _many_ less forest fires in the United States when forest
"thinning" was allowed for lumber cutting.

Once the leftist pansies got into control, the forests became thick
with underbrush and fallen limbs... one spark and all-hell breaks
loose.

Plus today we have the fascist element intent on destroying the
country by purposefully setting fires :-(

(Probably 85% of the forest fires in Arizona are purposefully set, the
rest by poor camp fire dousing, and a few by lightning.)
        
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