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Re: Who Killed the Electric Car?
On Sat, 24 May 2008 08:43:03 +0100, Eeyore

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Surely, you must be joking!

I can't imagine why our bottles would be marked as containing US fluid
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No.

Those are facts. Are you seriously not capable of seeing / understanding that for
yourself ?

Graham


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On Sat, 24 May 2008 13:55:39 +0100, Eeyore

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I see you snipped the sarcasm...

What's the matter, donkey-boy, didn't you get it?

JF

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   They don't want to confuse small minds like yours, that can't do more
then the simplest math.


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Fluid ounces serve no practical purpose.

FYI when I started studing physics we briefly used the Imperial system and it
made
no sense at all what with crazy measures like foot-poundals et al. Luckily we
rapidly changed to cgs and then MKS (the precursor of SI) and all of a sudden all
was clear.

I went on to get top grades in my Physics 'O' level (age 16) and 'A' level (age
18)
exams and furthermore got a pass (a second only sadly - the electronic content
that
year was low) in the Physics 'S level' (special paper) normally only typically
taken by Oxford and Cambridge entrants (our 'Ivy Leauge' if you like). The school
wanted me to apply to Cambridge actually but they didn't offer any specialist
electronic courses, they were still stuck with 'natural sciences', so I went to
the
University of London (UCL).

Doing Physics in Imperial measures is NUTS. Never mind that American measures use
the same names but are different ! What a bloody mess !

Graham


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On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:57:19 +0100, Eeyore

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And yet...

Take a look at this:

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I dunno--I usually use Gaussian units, because of all those silly
epsilon-noughts and mu-noughts you have to worry about in the SI system.
   God clearly meant us to use Gaussian units, because to engineering
accuracy 1 cm = 1 pF. (*)   Anyway, you only need the units once the
physics is done and you're descending to mere engineering.  ;)

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

(*) God also wants us to use English units, as you can tell from the
cosmically revealed fact that 1 attoparsec equals almost exactly 1 decifoot.

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Don't give a shit.


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On Sat, 24 May 2008 15:36:12 +0100, Eeyore

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Then what's the snippety-snip for and what's all your braying about?

JF

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   So, the volume changes, depending on what is in the container?


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I believe he is using H to refer to Hybrid.

Robert


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Hybrid, not hydrogen. Actually PHEVs are the best. The P being for 'plug in' so
it
can be recharged from both the electricity mains and its internal (small) ICE.

Graham


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Hydrogen is a scam. And highly explosive and difficult to store and 101 other bad
things.


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It currently comes mainly from fossil fuels of course !

Graham


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Horses for courses.
Given the right price, we'd buy a EV for local shopping and trips.

At one stage, we won a Nikki and I was briefly considering someoneelses
lead and converting it to an EV for shopping, but it was that or pay off
the mortgage.



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For many (indeed most) people, 2 cars aren't a practical option.


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What's a 'Nikki' ?

Graham



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The EV1 was a research project. The lease payments came nowhere close to
the cost of mantaining the vehicles. I doubt GM would have taken on the
additional losses.

Had they charged tha actual costs of the vehicles, I doubt even the
first 400 would have been leased.
 

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No car of this ilk can be a viable commercial venture on the basis of a
couple of thousand sales !

Graham


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It completely misses the point.


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http://gm-volt.com/2008/05/11/the-ev-1-wasnt-killed-it-was-dead-on-arrival /

Required to do so, GM went on to make the EV-1. It used lead acid batteries
which held 0.4% as much energy as the same weight of gasoline. Thus the EV-1
weighed 2970 lbs, 1175 lbs of which were the batteries. The resulting range
was 90/70 miles hwy/city. To achieve this, the tiny two-seater also had to
have the record lowest CD, the most advanced powertrain of the day, and a cost
of $80,000 (they were only leased to consumers).

The article concludes:

“In the end, though, the price wasn’t an issue. The reality is the EV1 was
hostage to a technology the engineers knew from the get-go just wasn’t able to
do the job Roger Smith and the California Air Resources Board believed it
could. That’s what killed the electric car.”

Graham



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Sounds like it's you who missed the point of the movie.

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Irrelevant.


Also irrelevant.


Plenty enough for the majority of people. Especially when you can
conveniently recharge at home, at work, or at a shopping centre etc.

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So what? price would come down in time.
Thousands of people buy $80,00 cars every day.

No excuse for GM to go to ridiculous lengths to get back every one of the
cars and then crush them literally out of existence. Especially when there
were thousands who would have taken them off their hands and waived all
rights to support.
GM did an evil thing, just evil.

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Everyone had better rush and get one of those Humvees with the $100,000 Bush
government tax rebate before the new government gets in. Or has that
fire-sale finished already?

Dave.



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A lot of assets get crushed on account of the corporate tax code and
accounting rules.  I vividly remember 1992, when IBM got into the glue
really badly--we crushed a whole lot of brand new equipment, all paid
for and everything, because our budgets were being slashed and it was
either keep the people or keep the equipment--which had to have the
depreciation paid.  The waste was astronomical, but the management was
in a bind and did their best with the choices available.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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