rPi claimed to be . We know how difficult it is for techies to discipline themselves and not, /get-carried-away. That's why you write the spec before you starting to code; you make a flight-plan before you take off. Re. educational projects, rPi can learn from OneLaptopPerChild. OLPC also had yuppies in California trying to direct OLPC advocates in Nepal [with no main supply] via "your latest http". It's like sitting in your office in NY and internetting to the bloke who is snorkelling under the water, that he should "Pour yourself a cup of coffee". He can't do that in his constrained environment. USB is rather complex; but the details are well hidden, and standardised to the extent that it's in the BIOS. Ethernet is quite complex, but it's not standardised and hidden in the BIOS. Something about different chips? IMO it's a mess. A fundamental requirement of a rPi type project is the ability to install new/different stuff. It should NOT need ethernet to fetch/install packages. With the existing rPi hardware, a 3G USBdongle could get on line if the utility `eject` was supplied, by default. ~# ls -l `which eject` == -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20600 2007-02-16 21:54 /usr/bin/eject*

I think you do have a point here. Maybe some distributions could think about adding more ways to connect to the internet (like WWAN dongles) in the ootb setup. But you have a terrible way to express that. Maybe a bug-report or feature-request to these projects would yield better results. I've also had problems installing some distribution with (I think) NOOBS in my constrained Network in my building. DHCP only advertises IPs here, not gateways. Things would have been easier if I had been prompted for network settings at rPI installation time. (after DHCP failed to connect to the internet) And constrained by the fact, that there is exactly one master node (host). Why didn't you just connect your rPI to the internet using USB? ... right, because it doesn't allow that. The easy solution to your problem would have been to download the .deb package containing "eject" using a browser on your Computer to an USB thumb drive. Then plug that into your rPI and install it. People suggested that....

HOW2 simplify rPi & increase user-base.

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Unknown 12 years ago

If both sides can mutually `ping`; they must both 'be a server & client'. As I previously said, it's like using the BundesBahn to fetch a glass of water from the kitchen. The 3Gdongle works like a rocket! == Thanks.

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Stefan Enzinger 12 years ago

3GDongles connect you to the internet, not just the intranet. So you are not only using the BundesBahn, but the whole gobalBahn or whatever.

Your Pi can ping google.com. Your slackcomputer should be able to ping your pi on the external IP (if your provider doesn't NAT you)

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The Natural Philosopher 12 years ago

ping-as-a-server/reflector is built into every TCP/IP stack I have ever come across, by default.

You have to go to a lot of lengths to turn it OFF, usually.

ping clients are less common, but even micrsoft WFG had one somewhere buried in the command line tools.

a telnet server is NOT something that tends to come by default these days however.

I think the raspian package would be 'telnetd' or some such.

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Martin Gregorie 12 years ago

They are both *ping servers* and both have a ping client (the ping command line utility), but this says nothing about whether they are running clients or servers for any other protocol.

You can't infer anything else from successfully pinging a computer other than it is powered up, running, has a ping server active on it and there's a working network path between the machines.

Using information about ping, as you seem to be doing, to make assumptions about any other protocol is unfounded bollocks.

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Jasen Betts 12 years ago

rasbpian is debian based It's so there's probably a choice of atleast three telnet servers.

For a good time: install ntp

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