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Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel

Dear Everyone, as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil is causing wars, terror, oil spills and a lot of greenhouse gases. By upgrading your car to flex fuel, you will continue to be able to use oil. However you will also have the opportunity to use E85, that means more freedom of choice. The conversion cost is about 200-250 USD. By choosing ethanol, you choose local fuel production, which means labour for farmers, labour for enginneers and workers in the ethanol plant, labour for transportation. Moreover you also help for indirect labour. Since the money stays in your country, this money will turn and produce indirect labour. Since the farmer will gain your additional fuel money, he will buy other things (labour is again needed for their production), which in case of oil the oil-Sheikhs or their people would do. That ethanol production increases the food prices is also not totally right, first there is a by-product called "distillers dried grains with solubles", which is used as feed for livestock, that is also nothing else than food. Moreover, by using ethanol, you put pressure on oil prices, which has also an important effect on food prices. You also give your money for more research (again labour), which will yield in higher efficiency of production and alternative production methods like cellulosic ethanol, which will change the whole equation. Again in case of oil this money would be spent for oil rigs, oil- infrastructure, but also for weapons to defend the oil. By using ethanol, you produce less CO2, since it is produced by corn, which actually consumed the CO2 in the air for its growing. The more people use ethanol, the higher the efficiencies will come for production (similar to solar cells). The prices will go further down, and much less CO2 will be produced during production in the plant. Do you know that the production efficiencies already improved 30% ?* Another reason for using ethanol is that oil prices will come up again, when the barrel price of 150 USD is back you will be very happy to have your vehicle converted. The conversion also increases the value of your vehicle.

Yours sincerely.

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The government should mandate that all car companies make ALL vehicles Flex-fuel. It's doesn't cost much but I think the oil companies are bribing the car companies not to do it. If all cars were flex fuel, alternative suppliers would begin to pop up everywhere weaning us of terrorist's oil supplies.

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LSMFT

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LSMFT

No, it's not expensive, and GM used to make a lot of flex-fuel autos. (Don't know if they still do.)

Problem is, ethyl alcohol is still not really cost-competitive with gasoline. Making lots of cars that use it would increase the demand, but I don't think that would do much to reduce production cost, something that alcohol producers have been trying to do /regardless/ of whether there are cars to use alcohol.

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William Sommerwerck

There is a lot more than alcohol. There is LNG, liquid propane, vegetable oil and bio-diesel for diesel cars and flex fuel cars can burn it too. There is butane, hydrogen, methane, other who knows what that entrepreneurs would come up with IF they could sell it.

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LSMFT

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LSMFT

You seem to miss the point. Yes there are alternative fuels available, however, there isn't the infrastructure in place for them.

There's two type of fuel you KNOW you'll be able to find on a long distance trip. Gasoline and diesel. No kerosene, alcohol, charging stations etc..

The infrastructure of gasoline and diesel have been put in place over the past 100 years. That isn't going to change over night.

Kind of like the phone company. There is billions of miles of wire installed.

Jeff

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Jeffrey Angus

A new infrastructure will never get off the ground if no car can burn it. If all cars were flex fuel I could start selling something to my neighbors, then the town, make a little money, expand to another town, then the next state. Gas stations started with one. then expanded. I guess some people don't get it.

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LSMFT

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LSMFT

Just 'what' are you going to sell your neighbors? There are all kinds of permits required to sell any fuel. Are you going to jury rig some pile of crap and ignore those laws? You mention Hydrogen. Do you have any idea of the problems of storing Hydrogen? Steel is porous to hydrogen and will develop embrittlemnt problems. Biodiesel requires the same storage facilites as diesel. Alcohol requires federal license to manufacture in quantity. Do you want the ATF to go Waco on your ass?

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Michael A. Terrell

Jeffrey Angus wrote in news:4ce18a23$0$14803$ snipped-for-privacy@news.suddenlink.net:

how does LNG or propane work with electronic fuel injection? do you have to redo the -entire- engine control system,along with the fuel system and intake? Emissions controls too? cars don't have carburetors anymore,it's all multi-point fuel injection.

ISTR that "flex-fuel" cars use LIQUID fuels,not gases or liquified gases.

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