Which steel rod would have the least sag/twist/flex of a 4' stretch

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote in rec.crafts.metalworking:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 10:42:34 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" > wrote in rec.crafts.metalworking: > > >> "Aristatos" > >>> reply> >>>> Jman wrote in rec.crafts.metalworking: > >>>> > >>>> I need a steel rod/s. precision ground, polished, turned, heat > >>>> treated > >>> whatever > >>>> is most effective. 3/8" OD and a length of 4'. I need to know > >>>> what kind of > >>>> steel (1144, Stressproff, 4140 TGPHT would have the least amount > >>>> of > >>> sagging, > >>>> twisting, and flexing (wasn't sure on the scientific terms for > >>>> these). Can > >>> you > >>>> help me out with that one? Or maybe point me to a graph or an > >>>> equation to > >>> work > >>>> it out? > >>>> Thanks in advance for your time, > >>>> Jeremy > >>>> p.s in the future I will need an eight or 10 foot rod > >>> > >>> The sagging could be from a weight of 50 pounds to 100 pounds, > >>> twisting > >>> would be > >>> from high torque stepper motors > >>> > >>> thanks again people, just slightly confusing with the different > >>> numbers > >>> and what > >>> not. And I should have specified the sagging from load, not > >>> length. > >>> > >>> thanks again, I was worried no one would answer, new here. > >>> > >>> thanks > > > >> Stronger or harder alloys simply follow the same line further up > >> before permanently deforming, at the point where the lines turn > >> toward horizontal. This is why greater strength or hardness doesn't > >> provide greater stiffness. > > > >The Wiki describes elastic behavior in more detail, with examples: > >
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> > > >It doesn't mention that the values are the force per unit area > >required to stretch the sample by 100%, or to twice its length, which > >can't be done in practice since it would break or become thinner, > >decreasing the area. > >
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's_modulus > >"it may be better to leave it out, to avoid confusing people, or at > >least putting it down the bottom in some sort of "vaguely interesting > >but complicated stuff" section, well away from the main definitons." > > > >Some common materials like Tungsten are stiffer than steel, but also > >heavier so they'd sag about the same if held horizontally. Beryllium > >would be a great structural material if it wasn't poisonous. > > > >You could try gently and unobstrusively bending a 3/8" steel rod in a > >hardware store to get a hands-on feel for how stiff steel is, and > >isn't. > > Coat hangers are good for that, too. They're what I use to demonstrate > the principle to people. When you're talking about how even the > crappiest steel has the same elastic properties as, say, 200,000 > psi-yield music wire of the same diameter, it makes a good demo. Steel > doesn't come much crappier than coat hangers.

Coat hangers are also good for replacing 9 wire as drop-in light supports to Hilti straps (for drop ceilings).

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