Solar Garden Lighs/sidewalk lights

: :Why is it always the negative lead that corrodes? : :Ron(UK)

I am not a chemical engineer so I don't have any practical knowledge of galvanic corrosion protection. There is a so-called Galvanic Table from which the degree of corrosion can be predicted and it basically says that the higher the order of one metal (on the table) relevant to another metal in close proximity, the the higher order metal will corrode when an electrolyte covers them both.

Copper wire connected to the negative terminal is fairly high on the galvanic table and assuming the casing of the solar lamp is made of stainless steel, this metal is lower on the galvanic table. Moisture, complete with impurities will condense across the surfaces of both metals during the night and set up electrolytic action, thus the higher order metal will corrode.

The table is the galvanic series of metals in sea water from Army Missile Command Report RS-TR-67-11, "Practical Galvanic Series."

The Galvanic Table

Active (Anodic)

1 Magnesium 2 Mg alloy AZ-31B 3 Mg alloy HK-31A 4 Zinc (hot-dip, die cast, or plated) 5 Beryllium (hot pressed) 6 Al 7072 clad on 7075 7 Al 2014-T3 8 Al 1160-H14 9 Al 7079-T6 10 Cadmium (plated) 11 Uranium 12 Al 218 (die cast) 13 Al 5052-0 14 Al 5052-H12 15 Al 5456-0, H353 16 Al 5052-H32 17 Al 1100-0 18 Al 3003-H25 19 Al 6061-T6 20 Al A360 (die cast) 21 Al 7075-T6 22 Al 6061-0 23 Indium 24 Al 2014-0 25 Al 2024-T4 26 Al 5052-H16 27 Tin (plated) 28 Stainless steel 430 (active) 29 Lead 30 Steel 1010 31 Iron (cast) 32 Stainless steel 410 (active) 33 Copper (plated, cast, or wrought) 34 Nickel (plated) 35 Chromium (Plated) 36 Tantalum 37 AM350 (active) 38 Stainless steel 310 (active) 39 Stainless steel 301 (active) 40 Stainless steel 304 (active) 41 Stainless steel 430 (active) 42 Stainless steel 410 (active) 43 Stainless steel 17-7PH (active) 44 Tungsten 45 Niobium (columbium) 1% Zr 46 Brass, Yellow, 268 47 Uranium 8% Mo. 48 Brass, Naval, 464 49 Yellow Brass 50 Muntz Metal 280 51 Brass (plated) 52 Nickel-silver (18% Ni) 53 Stainless steel 316L (active) 54 Bronze 220 55 Copper 110 56 Red Brass 57 Stainless steel 347 (active) 58 Molybdenum, Commercial pure 59 Copper-nickel 715 60 Admiralty brass 61 Stainless steel 202 (active) 62 Bronze, Phosphor 534 (B-1) 63 Monel 400 64 Stainless steel 201 (active) 65 Carpenter 20 (active) 66 Stainless steel 321 (active) 67 Stainless steel 316 (active) 68 Stainless steel 309 (active) 69 Stainless steel 17-7PH (passive) 70 Silicone Bronze 655 71 Stainless steel 304 (passive) 72 Stainless steel 301 (passive) 73 Stainless steel 321 (passive) 74 Stainless steel 201 (passive) 75 Stainless steel 286 (passive) 76 Stainless steel 316L (passive) 77 AM355 (active) 78 Stainless steel 202 (passive) 79 Carpenter 20 (passive) 80 AM355 (passive) 81 A286 (passive) 82 Titanium 5A1, 2.5 Sn 83 Titanium 13V, 11Cr, 3Al (annealed) 84 Titanium 6Al, 4V (solution treated and aged) 85 Titanium 6Al, 4V (anneal) 86 Titanium 8Mn 87 Titanium 13V, 11Cr 3Al (solution heat treated and aged) 88 Titanium 75A 89 AM350 (passive) 90 Silver 91 Gold 92 Graphite

End - Noble (Less Active, Cathodic)

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Ross Herbert
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However, since the positive lead on the solar cell is also made of copper and the same condensation will no doubt cover this terminal, why then doesn't the positive lead corrode too?

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They may help, but it`s the actual copper of the wire which turns black and brittle, the soldered joint is usually fine.

Ron(UK)

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Interesting stuff, and there is a correlation between disimilar metals corroding - sacrificial anodes and all that, but I`m not sure that is what happens in the case of nicad battery packs

It`s not only in metal cased fixtures tho, most of the garden lights here are plastic - they only cost a few pounds, not worth repairing really.

I spent a great part of my youth and early adulthood messing about with radio controlled models, and whenever a Nicad batterpack failure occured, it was always the negative wire which had turned black and literally rotted away. I don't think moisture has much of a role in the matter, as many battery packs are quite well sealed.

I wonder if the same problem occurs with types of battery technology other than Nicad, NiMH for example?

Even in cars, I believe that it`s usually the Negative battery connection which gives trouble, either at the battery termnal or the chassis ground connection.

Ron(UK)

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: :Interesting stuff, and there is a correlation between disimilar metals :corroding - sacrificial anodes and all that, but I`m not sure that is :what happens in the case of nicad battery packs : :It`s not only in metal cased fixtures tho, most of the garden lights :here are plastic - they only cost a few pounds, not worth repairing really. : :I spent a great part of my youth and early adulthood messing about with :radio controlled models, and whenever a Nicad batterpack failure :occured, it was always the negative wire which had turned black and :literally rotted away. I don't think moisture has much of a role in the :matter, as many battery packs are quite well sealed. : :I wonder if the same problem occurs with types of battery technology :other than Nicad, NiMH for example? : :Even in cars, I believe that it`s usually the Negative battery :connection which gives trouble, either at the battery termnal or the :chassis ground connection. : : :Ron(UK)

I am sure there is a scientific reason for corrosion being mainly on the negative terminal but I can't quite rationalise it at the moment. I have seen many reports on car battery negative terminals and wiring corroding and I have also seen a lesser number of complaints about the positive terminal.

Without going into a scientific discussion on the subject perhaps T.R.B Watson has a plausible simplified explanation.

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