On 11/28/2010 8:51 PM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
Still down tonight. All I get is --a completely blank page, no source code, no nothing. Are they ever going to get that sucker up again?
-- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
Maxells used to be available at the local Fleet Farm. They lasted, didn't leak, and were cheap. The packaging was white with black and gold. They were made in Japan and now China.
I don't know, but I do have a marginal guess at what really happened. Yet another failed server upgrade.
The splash screen is back now, but with a slightly different message. CPF is closed at this time in order to update the keywords and hopefully improve the search function. It make take some time. I don't know. Same grammar error which still makes me wonder. I do wish they would return as I have an LED project to research.
Many years ago, I was watching a large vendor move their servers from one ISP facility to another. The site was subsequently down for about
10 days. It was later rumored that the truck carrying the server had been hijacked and possibly held for ransom. I was never able to confirm the story, but it's possible.Patience... Your leaky batteries can wait.
Incidentally, I decided to check my assorted battery operated devices for leaky batteries. Several TV/stereo remote controls had leaky cells. My IR thermometer leaked. D cells in several flashlights were bulging, but not leaking yet. Several AA cells in a walkie talkie leaked. There was no single manufacturer or type that could be considered a problem. Most were the original cells that came with the remote and thermometer. The leaky radio and flashlights were Duracell. None of the Kirkland (Costco) batteries leaked (probably because they were newer than the others).
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 12/1/2010 10:24 AM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
So why do you get *something* while I get *nothing*? Null. Nada. Zip.
(Using an otherwise apparently well-working copy of Firefox (3.6.8).)
-- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
Have you cleared your catche?
-- For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!
You might want to double check the version again. Although Firefox is almost up to date (3.6.12 is current), your Thunderbird, that you're using to post messages, is far out of date: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) Current is 3.1.6. You'll need to download a fresh copy as update doesn't alway work between major version changes.
Even if you get a blank page, right click on it in Firefox and select "view page info". You should see a list of META tags that describe the web page. Argh, he's got robots=noindex set. Grrrr... Anyway, if you get the info, but not the page, fix your browser.
I can't tell you why you don't show anything. Windoze has an irritating habit of caching DNS failures, so please flush your DNS cache with: Start -> run -> cmd ipconfig /flushdns Shut down Firefox, and try again.
It might also be amusing to see if DNS is returning the same IP address for you. If they're moving servers, they'll also be moving IP addresses, which takes time to propagate. C:\>nslookup Default Server: DD-WRT Address: 192.168.1.1 > set type=ANY >
Checking the authoritative server: > server ns68.worldnic.com Default Server: ns68.worldnic.com Address: 206.188.198.34 >
Same, so there's probably no IP changes involved. Try it at your end. If DNS is acting weird, you might want to check if you have a DNS redirector malware installed by trying to view any of the anti-virus web sites. Otherwise, I'll need to know some more details about your setup before I can conjur a fix.
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
In Firefox, you can force reloading the page from scratch with: Press and hold Shift and left-click the Reload button. Press "Ctrl + F5" or press "Ctrl + Shift + R" (Windows,Linux) Press "Cmd + Shift + R" (MAC)
However, that doesn't always work, you can clear the cache at: Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Network -> Offline Storage (Cache): "Clear Now"
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 12/1/2010 12:39 PM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
Yes. Did nothing. (I did use ipconfig, which did flush the cache, but it made no difference.)
So today I tried something: loading the page in IE. (That shows you just how loathe I am to use that POS.) It loaded the page. Sort of.
I think this comes down to a "purity" issue. Let me explain.
IE did load something, but I'd hardly call it a useable web page. As the status indicator at lower left so succinctly puts it, it was "Done, but with errors on page". I believe these errors are on the part of the site owners, but of course I can't be sure.
As rendered by IE, there's a *huge* expanse of blank blue space above the page, and the page is badly formatted, with the forum list sqoze into a narrow column on the left side.
So what I *think* happens with Firefox is that it detects errors, and then, in the infinite wisdom of its geekish authors, simply refuses to go any further, resulting in a COMPLETELY BLANK PAGE. (I've objected to this behavior for years, arguing that in an imperfect world full of imperfect and non-compliant web coding that it's better to render
*something* than to put one's nose in the air, metaphorically speaking, and refuse to render *anything*--or at least leave this option up to the user--but no, the geeks insist on purity here, damn the real-world consequences.)So bottom line is that with the software I have, including a pretty up-to-date version of FF, I cannot view this page.
If you care to diagnose further:
W2K, SP 4 Sygate firewall Dial-up access No proxies, spyware (that I know of), virii, etc.
-- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
Try again. It seems to be back up this morning.
Hmmm... still has problems. It wants me to register/login before I can use the search box. I don't think it did that before the upgrade.
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 12/2/2010 12:13 PM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
Judging from the number of error messages that IE (5) reports when loading that page, there are some serious problems on the sending side of that site. I don't think it's our software.
Too bad; the content over there is intriguing.
(By the way, the URL that eventually loads is
-- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
Oh no, only if you want to post there. You can , without login read all of it. The site is a nice demo, opening a thread is dead slowwww...... And the site does not bother my FF (celeron,xp sp3, ff2.0.0.24)
I'll call your 5 and raise you to 11 errors. Go thee unto:
and inscribe
Form follows function. I know you'll enjoy the content. If you do anything with lighting or lighting power, it's the best forum.
Yes. That's the start page. Seems to be slowing down as the day progresses.
-- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS
Per Wild_Bill:
+1.I bottom post because that seems tb what most people want.
But it seems to me like a holdover from the character/line-based days where one could not easily jump pack to previous articles.
Given a choice between reading top-posted replies and bottom-posted replies with indiscriminate quoting, I'll take the top-posted replies any day. The ability to turn quotes on/off mitigates bottom posting somewhat, but it's still more work to read.
The ideal would seem tb inserting reply text under the relevant quoted material and not quoting the whole history of the thread.
-- PeteCresswell
On 12/3/2010 7:04 AM (PeteCresswell) spake thus:
Further confirmation that good posting style depends on more than just bottom (or inter-) posting. Judicious trimming is a crucial part of it. Not just lazily tacking your 2-line reply to the bottom of a 200-line collection of previous posts and replies.
And yes, if one has multiple responses to a post, then posting the replies directly under the relevant material is the way to go, as most people seem to do here.
-- The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring, with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags. - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)
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