Problem is that having a higher than 99% literacy (or a 99.3% iirc) is very hard to impossible to achieve. And the problem is not so much the education system but peopel who have medical conditions that make it impossble for them to ever become fully literate and those who have willfully avoided the educational system or it fruits.
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Gawd - a speling flame !!
Go to "the secular democracy" Turkey, remind them of the Armenians I am sure they will explain in a robust and summary manner how wrong you are. In only a few weeks you will be back on a diplomatic flight. That is the ways of a luser culture!!
Boosh want them very same Turks in the EU - Why?? Well, on this side of the water we have come to understand that what Boosh wants is what is good for Boosh not necessarily anyone else. The Europeans O.T.O.H. knows that if one cannot integrate even a few million Turks in the EU, then 50 Million++ is going to be ...err... a challenge.
I.O.W. what Boosh really wants is to eliminate a potential competitor bidding for The Oil (and probably suck up to some Saudi islamist claim on Europe up till Vieanna, which is how hide the tide reached last time we kicked them out).
I doubt if I qualify as a food snob. I'm a bit too willing to eat a good pizza - particularly since the cute Italian post-doc charmed Nijmegens good pizza place into stocking Amarone (which lead to us paying twice as much for the wine as for the pizza, until the proprietor realised that if his pizzas were good enough to eat with Amraone he could get away with charging more for them).
But not too fancy. With two Michelin stars they can do everything perfectly, but are unlikely to surprise you. For three stars, they need to do everything perfectly and be inventive to boot - though three-star restaurants in France can be a bit dissappointing for a few years before the inspectors finally lower the boom. The owner-chef of the restaurant de la Cote d'Or in Saulieu - Bernard Loiseau - shot himself after the Gault Millau guide downgraded him from 19 points to 17, so you can understand the reluctance of the inspectors.
Frank, you very Dutch! The service and the ambience are just the wrapping paper around the food. Of course the joy a group gets out of eating together is only incidentally affected by the food they eat, but the food is what the restaurant is supplying - the joy we have to find for ourselves!
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
In comp.arch.fpga Rich Grise, but drunk wrote: : But I'm probably biased - I apparently have mostly German Blood, which : is probably why the "Americanized" version of my family name is so hard : to pronounce.
I've always wondered, does the American surname Straub originate from a mis-reading of Strauss with an Eszett (German double-s) ?
Richard
That sucks. The rules do vary from state to state a little. I guess Ca is more anal than most (?)
Perhaps you could take the exam in a neighboring state instead? AZ/NV?
Good luck!
Bo
It seems a fine-line to walk between not getting enough applicants and getting too many (thus lowering the perceived value or 'exclusivity' of the PE club). In large part, I think the whole thing is just a huge money making scam-- the states make good money (and keep a significant perpetual income from annual fees), the Universities make money from review courses and of course the publishers make a killing on the prep materials.
It's looking like my venture is going to run about $1200 for fees, books, travel, etc. Multiply that by say 1000 examinees per year and it's $1.2million. Not bad, heh?
Nevertheless, if you want to play the game, you have to play by their rules-- as ridiculous as they might be (for example, no longer giving examinees their scores--even if they fail!)
Hoping to pass the 1st time around,
Paul
Based on my experience in industry, I would say between 10-15% of people titled "engineer" do not have a degree (and practically none of them have a "license"). This has no correlation at all with quality of output, of course.
I'm actually now back at school to get the ol' parchment, because my workplace is only 15 minutes drive from an ABET-accredited college, and my employer has 100% tuition+books reimbursement with no annual limits. It's a great morale-builder, because the stress level is negligible compared with work. In fact I would almost qualify school as a leisure activity; I feel more relaxed at work during the school term because school gives me some problems that I KNOW to have answers.
If you have access to programs of this sort, I heartily recommend them... not that I place any intrinsic value on the paper, but it's handy to have and fun to acquire. Plus it expands your networking opportunities in several ways, useful if you're a consultant^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpolitically correct term for person doing this work without licenses/degrees/other bureaucratic irrelevancies.
Sounds very plausible.
Graham
Because it looks like a B to eyes not accusomed to reading German.
Yep. Strauss Strauß
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It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.
Hm. Sounds like a good idea.
Cheers! Rich
Hello Bo,
Well, as Ray said it may be best to talk to them. Last time I did they wouldn't budge. Which makes the whole program kind of irrelevant because they'll never reach critical mass.
That won't help when you live in CA. The real paradox is that if you have the certs in one state it still doesn't allow you to work under it in another. So theoretically you'd need 51 registrations (with fees...) to be able to work countrywide under PE. Makes no sense to me at all.
Regards, Joerg
What does paying attention in school or pronunciation rules have to do with pronouncing family names?
What does paying attention in school or pronunciation rules have to do with pronouncing family names?
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You keep going on about bureaucrats setting the rules and every reply has told you that the rules are set by qualified and experienced ENGINEERS.
You seem to have a problem of being judged by your peers.
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That's not the impression I got at all.
My impression is that Joerg has determined that the costs of registration (not all of which are monetary, and which he's tried to describe, but some people aren't listening) are too high for the benefits obtained.
It also seems you feel his rejection of registration has somehow gored your ox. As you often point out yourself, this is an international forum, and things aren't the same everywhere.
Regards, -=Dave
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Hello Chris,
Huh? Maybe in the UK, not so much here.
I don't. I do have a problem with overly restrictive regulations and so does our industry.
Regards, Joerg
Not necessarily. Most states PE board have 'commity' licensure--ie recognition of PE from another state and will allow you to hang a shingle in their state if you pay the fees etc to have the license transferred--or maybe better stated "reissued in the commity state". A coworker of mine is PE in 3 states and only took exams in one. (ie NC, GA, AL).
Bo
Hello Bo,
That's what I meant. Comity allows for mutual recognition to avoid having to sit through umpteen exams. But they all want the paperwork and their fees. I just wonder why the states can't just accept each others licenses at face value. Guess it's a turf issue and they all want the money.
Regards, Joerg
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