Water for Fuel 555 timer project

Yes, this is about the circuit that is supposed to split water at low voltages. This is for my electrolysis cell. I'm trying to be focused here so please no sceptical remarks or I'll be forced to hex you with passing a kidney stone the size of a mountain.

The circuit is simple but too complicated for me in respects to determining the size of the resistors and capasitors. If someone could either break it down for me or recommend a size I would greatly appriciate it. I have only a few schematics to share with you. But most of you are probably so dang smart you can imagine the rest of it(wish I could).

The Basics:

555 timer 1 : The ending result will be a 12 volt DC pulsed square wave at 300mA (3.6 watts) with a 10:1 mark-space ratio and a linear frequency sweep from 10-250 KHZ.

555 timer 2 : The ending result will be a 12 volt DC pulsed square wave at

300mA (3.6watts) with a 10:1 makr-space ratio and a linear frequency sweep from 15-30 HZ.

Only Available Schematics located @ :

formatting link

The Complications:

The circuit schematics I have are for two 555 timers and I want to use a single

556 timer instead.

I want to switch to use either, timer 1 or timer 2, as primary and secondary into my electrodes( 1= orthohydrogen, 2= parahydrogen). Basicly one switch to swap jobs.

I would like the option of a toggle switch to switch from 300mA to 600mA output if possible. I would like an LED to indicate power ON.

I would love to have the option to swap the polarity of the electrodes using a potentiometer (0ff-????HZ) for testing. I'm currently researching the possibility of adding some sort of strobing infared LEDs to vibrate the water in a way which will also increase the gas output. So if that is possible I'd like to add that for testing also.

The patent I am toying with is from a company called Xogen (co has disappeared) and relative ideas from the videos and patent of Stanley Meyers (dead). Both claimed to have invented a contraption that would split water in to hydrogen and oxygen on demand to run cars, planes, boats, generators...etc. I have to say I will only know if it is true or not by making the circuit myself. But I need some help...all the info I have is @

formatting link

My email addess is snipped-for-privacy@waterforfuel.com . I'm setting here with my soldering iron hot.. I got a radio shack 2 miles down the road (no IC knowledgable reps tho).. and I have a hand full of parts already: project box and ic board, 556CN, 10K resistors, and a 2N3055 transistor... and in the other hand some money to buy more parts! I really am excited to work on this but desperate for some simple instructions so I can just slap one of these puppies together. If it works and you help me the most I'll make one for you.... if it doesn't work I'll send you the original :)

Kevin

This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin
Loading thread data ...

For your own peace of mind, just be danged sure to use de-oxygenated Monster (TM) cables when you hook this baby up!

--
Rich Webb   Norfolk, VA
Reply to
Rich Webb

Ahhhhhh yes indeed.....

Brown's Gas.

You need to excite the water with an AC voltage at or close to the dissociation energy of the water molecules within the local environment for maximum energy transfer (a broad band)

This improves the rate at which you can produce the stoichemetric H2 + O mixture for subsequent use elsewhere whilst optimising efficiency.

Furthermore there is no need to add other chemical agents which will poisen the equipment and reduce its lifetime.

DNA

Reply to
Genome

The values are listed on the schematic you provided the link to.

sweep

Are these the original specs, or something you came up with? If original, see above comment.

You may want to consider hiring an engineer.

Why do you think Xogen 'disappeared'? My guess is that the product didn't work efficiently enough to make it economical. That, and the thousands of dollars required to convert a standard ICE to run on hydrogen would not make it economical for the masses.

The web site quotes one paragraph of a Ford Motor Company press release. Read the rest of it to find out that Ford used a greatly (read that as 'expensively') modified ICE for their tests. Joe or Jane Average probably won't be able to afford that.

Unplug your soldering iron and stay out of RS for awhile. Use your money to buy a couple of good Chemistry and Physics books. Use them to figure the stored energy you can expect from the amount of hydrogen your device will recover from the water (assuminmg you can figure out how much hydrogen that is). Then, figure out how much energy you will use to get that amount of hydrogen. Buy a few books on economics, statistical analysis, and business practices, then determine if your device and future business model makes economical sense. If they do, either get the necessary electronics, physics, and chemistry education, or convince investors it makes sense and hire the engineers to make it happen.

Richard - Chesapeake, VA

Reply to
Richard

Kevin,

Have you been here

formatting link
or here

formatting link

But I have an open mind so let's go. What is it you would like? The resistor values are there already you just need to do a search for the 556 to get the pin numbers, oh ok, I will do it for you try this >

formatting link
has a s..t load of info on

555/556. You may need some Vero board, have you got that yet? Oh and by the way you need to install sepll chcek.

Extra: Try Terry Pinnell here at

formatting link
has a lot of info on the ol' 555. Send him a question.

Now ya come back here, you hear!

Cheers.

Reply to
Pete

Say it with me: "Water is burnt hydrogen".

You may attribute that to me, but nothing's new under the sun, so I'm sure someone else has also said it :)

I'll let you know how that kidney stone turns out.

--buddy

Reply to
Buddy Smith

..and you need to take a comprehension class. I said no skeptics. Since you refuse to understand my simplest hick english let me help you.

You are a prick. I can't understand why you can't keep your comments to yourself when you have nothing worthwhile to read about or say. I have no opinion on whether physics, business, or chemistry apply here... I don't even care if you read this.. I state I need help with the 555 circuit schematics along with what I added. None of that stuff is in any pictures I provided.

I don't care if you believe it won?t work, it will work, I'll blow my self up, or magically make little pixie fairies fly out my butt... I don't care.

All I want is some help with the schematics. Not a donated kidney, not my button pushed, and Not your mom and dad's recipe for an adult rambling turd.

It is in my nature to try and fix something broken before I throw it away. And I have 1 year to keep my domain, do some research, and make my own decisions. How dare you try and keep my imagination from me... Have you gotten my drift yet? Do I need to continue? Please don't post here unless you got real, tangible schematics or good ideas... if you can't say something nice then keep your opinions to yourself.

Kevin

This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

I'm sure its some form of Brown's Gas but I not using AC. I'm using DC. And for research purposes I'd like to swap polarity of my electrodes at about

20,000 cycles using DC.

Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

Yes, I dont know what the capasitor/resistor values are goin to be for the

555 chips. If I knew exactly what to connect and to where I would be finished with this already... Outside of just getting the correct values for the 555 timers I think I got the other values. I know how to install switches and LEDs... Hope you can help.

Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

Water is burnt Hydrogen! hahaha That is a great saying! I'll have to remember that...

Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

Did you see the xogen video? Did you read the xogen patent? I dont know of any scam company that would invest in patent lawyers, a video production crew and equipment, and show you the invetion... just to disappear without a profit.

But I dont really care. I just want to see if I can duplicate the technology and make some additions for my own enjoyment. If it works I just might disappear also. If it doesn't work I'll disappear anyways.

Cheers, Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

This guy is using AC and I'm using DC... and if he isn't showing his schematics then I don't care if he says he can fly.... I don't believe it untill I see it.

Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

Kevin, You are NOT USING AC.

You are using DC Pulses. There is a BIG Difference between AC and Puldsed DC.

Take care............Gary

************************************************************************** Kev> >>
Reply to
chemelec

"Kevin" wrote in news:eIGdnbtxw-qOuMjeRVn snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

formatting link

Reply to
mike

OK, so you don't want to hear any theory. If you just build the damn thing the way it's shown, you will have a much easier time. If you change the circuit, you won't know if the thing don't work or if you messed up in the conversion.

If you want flexibility, scratch the whole thing and use a microcontroller to generate any combination of signals you want.

But the easiest way is to buy a pair of function generators to generate the signals. Compared to the zillions you're gonna make when this works, the function generators are a TINY investment.

We all know why the inventors disappeared. Either they successfully hid from their investors...or their investors found them. ;-)

Have fun inventing new physics. Somebody's gotta do it. mike

--
Wanted, Serial cable for Dell Axim X5 PDA.
Return address is VALID but some sites block emails
 Click to see the full signature
Reply to
mike

The water to fuel game is full of cranks and con-men, it's quite possible the patent is only for show. or if it works is impractical.

Bye. Jasen

Reply to
Jasen Betts

Just be careful, i know some one that was experimenting with fuel cells there by separating the water, he started small and then kept on enlarging the process .. all of this was being worked on in his garage, then one day i guess there was an excess of H and got ignited, burnt the garage down and put him self in the hospital with various flash burns all over him. H does raise fast how ever, when inclosed inside a garage with no place to go and then some kind of ignition takes place, you will have a problem.!

--
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5
Reply to
Jamie

Yes, I not going to try and murder myself via explosion.... the government wouldn't like that... I still have many years of taxes ahead.

I was going to make it exactly like the patent..... but I decieded to enhance it because the schematics didn't show the LED or and option to increase the voltage. But I promis to keep it simple so everyone can replicate it. :)

Cheers, Kevin This message was sent using the sci.electronics.basics web interface on

formatting link

Reply to
Kevin

Well if the first 50$ contraption is worthless then I sure will. I have been pricing them on EBAY. I was also under some impression I could just build a few function generators and maybe reuse the parts on the final version of the water cracker.

heh... the white guy said cracker...

Kevin

Reply to
Kevin

ElectronDepot website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.