So the equation from above (equal radius spheres) is, C_between = 4*pi*e_0 * Radius^2/distance. (The paper uses (a) for radius.)
The next correction is of order radius^2/ distance^2 (for r As a first approximation we could guess that the Earth's C to the
Didn't find your answer? Ask the community — no account required.
G
George Herold
Oh dear, I thought 1 cm = 1.12 pF? the capacitance of a 1 cm sphere.
George h.
P
Phil Hobbs
Yup, I got it backwards.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
R
RichD
Then infinity represents the reference point, at potential zero.
The problem is, in this model, 'infinity' isn't a point, but a spherical surface.
Rich
P
Phil Hobbs
If you've taken lower level undergraduate E&M, you know that electrostatic fields in source-free regions obey Laplace's equation, i.e.
div grad phi = 0
and that
E = grad phi,
where phi is the (scalar) electric potential. Alternatively, phi is the line integral of E.
By a vector identity, curl grad phi is identically zero. By Stokes' theorem, the potential difference along any closed path is the surface integral of the curl of the potential, so since curl phi = 0, the potential at any point is independent of how you got there. So the voltage is well defined everywhere.
The energy density of the field is proportional to the volume integral of |E|**2. (It's E**2 / 8pi in Gaussian units.)
In order for that to be finite, E has to go to zero at large distances faster than 1/r. (Actually it's asymptotically 1/r**2, and becomes purely radial very quickly--all tangential components die off as higher powers of r.)
Thus there's no voltage difference between points at large distances, so one point is as good as another.
Because of this, we adopt the simple convention that the potential at infinity is zero, allowing us to write
energy = 1/2 CV**2, where C is the self-capacitance.
We compute the self-capacitance by doing the volume integral to get the field energy and equating the two expressions. It's completely analogous to computing the self-inductance of a solenoid.
No giant spheres required, no 'other plate' need apply.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
P
Phil Hobbs
gradient, so since curl grad phi = 0, the
Coffee hadn't kicked in.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
J
John Larkin
A couple of light-years away is probably good enough.
Need long test leads.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics
G
George Herold
The moon will be far enough away. A conducting sphere at the moon orbit would change the Earth's C by less than 1%.
formatting link
George H.
J
John Larkin
How would you make a decent e-field gradient sensor? Some sort of vibrating reed thing? Spinning ball with electrodes?
I bet there's e-fields everywhere. Insects? Plants? Doorknobs? Footprints on the floor? Bicycles? It would be cool if we could see e-fields.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
J
Jasen Betts
use a field mill
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
P
Phil Hobbs
Vibrating reed electrometers are commonly used to measure electrostatic voltages.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
G
George Herold
No (good) idea... An electric dipole in a gradient feels a force. I think an electric quadrupole in a E field gradient would feel a torque. (though it's a bit hard for me to 'see'.)
I never heard of vibrating reeds... This is a nice lecture/ chapter.
formatting link
George H.
R
RichD
Sounds interesting. The flux from one capacitor, flows through another?
Rich
J
Jasen Betts
charging one capacitor puts a voltage on the other capacitor according to the ratio of the piezo transformer. but it's piezoelectric, it's not really a capacitance effect.
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
W
whit3rd
A dielectric fiber will polarize and align with E-field.. From field lines (because of Laplace's law) you can map gradients in uncharged spaces
Input data will look ike this:
J
John Larkin
Can you calibrate that?
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics
G
George Herold
Hmm I think that's ~1.5 long haired blonde, about 1kV/m in MKS units. :^)
George H.
Join the Discussion
Have something to add? Share your thoughts — no account required.
Didn't find your answer?
Ask the community — no account required
Report Content
You are reporting this content to the moderators. They will look at it
ASAP.