WinQCad vs. EagleCAD

From the above it sounds more like they won't accept the fake bill *and then they confiscate all your genuine money too*.

If it just rejected the part with a warning "part MC68HC11 created with illegal copy", and allowed you to delete it, that would be more reasonable. Why deliberatly infect the designs of honest customers?

I agree it is better, but that does not make it acceptable.

IMO one of the great advantages of using a product like Eagle with good community support would have been the ability to share libraries with other users. But this is unthinkable given the above.

That is why Cadsoft's behaviour is illegal under Dutch law. If you buy something in Holland which appears to be stolen you'll still be the rightful owner UNLESS you could have suspected you bought stolen goods (ridiculous low price, weird circumstances, etc). Markus got the schematic symbol in good faith and had no reason to doubt it. So Markus is not part of the crime.

Cadsoft really should get to the root of the problem (for example by disabling illegal copies) instead of incriminating their paying customers. Besides I wonder how much time Cadsoft put in their copy protection scheme. It might be more time than it would have taken to fix some long standing issues.

We don't know whether it was just a model. Sounds more like part of a schematic.

Do we know it was actually a library part alone that caused this?

Well, Dutch law seems to be, ahem, strange. AFAIK in pretty much any other Western country you'd be required to hand over the stolen goods.

So if someone steals your car and sells it, can the new "owner" really keep it when the Rijkspolitie stops him and finds out?

No, he is the victim of a criminal act committed by someone else.

If you find the silver bullet in how to disable illegal copies I am sure they would offer you a lucrative job instantly. But then you'd have to move and learn Bavarian :-)

Agree, but only if they really have invested much time into that. I believe that if they had sunk some energy into more important stuff like hierarchical sheet structures they could have clocked tons of extra sales. At least with some of my clients.

There is no DRM in Eagle. Period !

I'm well aware of what the word means. The guy copied something from someone else's work to use in his own. So he was trying to save himself some work. I've no problem with that. But to try and assign blame on Eagle for his own actions...

sounds like a strange way to attract new and keep old customers

it prevents someone who's used a cracked version from buying a legal copy, because it won't accept the old designs

it prevents someone with a legal copy with possibly contaminated designs from buying an upgrade

and I guess any design could become contaminated if anyone who worked on it got his key stolen and it got out in the open

-Lasse

Another good reason to live in Florida. No state income tax, and very few insane state laws.

They've thought of it, but the cost to replace all the probes they would lose was just too high.

How's the weather there this time of year? Have to go on a biz trip, West Palm Beach. On the news it looked like parts of FL were flooding but don't remember where. Do I have to bring waders and rain gear?

DRM == Debiitating Restriction Measures aka a remote kill switch not under the user's control. Big hint: DRM != Digital Rights Management (When you surrender to DRM, **YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS**.)

I have always assumed he was given full permission to reuse anything in the document he received. ...and I'm not real big on extension of the pre-Internet "Permission Culture" based on things that didn't have zero marginal cost.

Had Cadsoft made people **aware** that as a term of sale they were receiving a product with a remote kill switch, THAT would be different. A contract that doesn't reveal ALL of it's terms is NOT a contract. Those corporations who use DRM should be required to put BIG stickers on their products and BIG notices on all of their Web pages stating that. Otherwise it's a deceptive business practice.

In that case the person giving him such permission has acted criminally, by creating this work with an illegal copy of software. Very simple, IMHO.

Joerg wrote:

You and I will never see eye to eye on "intellectual property". e.g. In a time when tools make the creative process ever easier, I see the ever-increasing time spans in laws as a perversion of the intent of The Founding Fathers:

...and a remote kill switch THAT ISN'T REVEALED is more than just bad faith; it is a breach of contract law.

A few clouds here today with the high in the mid 70s and the low in the hig 40s. I haven't heard of any floding on the news lately, but today was mostly about the shootings in Orlando. About five hours of coverage, so far.

is the weather RADAR for the West Palm Beach Florida area

I think this is the original thread:

It was a voltage regulator, apparantly. I am not familiar with Eagle so don't know whether this would normally be a "library part" or a circuit fragment.

If the new owner can proof he bought the car in good faith, he can keep it. This is about limiting the number of victims to a crime. Besides most people are insured against theft over here.

A crime he had nothin to do with. So why should he be punished? Its not like in the war where they shot a few innocent people to set an example.

There is always the lmlicense manager. Not ideal but it does work and has become an industry standard for a reason. Probably too expensive for Cadsoft or the 'not invented here' syndrome got in the way.

Agreed !

Quote from the original thread: "I downloaded a little Eagle project somewhere from a website I can't even remember. It happened that back then, I reused a very small part of this schema (with copy and paste) in one of my projects and continued to copy and paste the same part from my project into a couple of other projects of mine later on."

That sounds more like a chunk of schematic, not just one library part. This is exactly how rumors start and can get totally out of hand :-)

I don't know where the poster is from but apparently Europe and folks in France and NL use the word schema for schematic diagram.

See? So they could keep this for 120 years :-)

AFAIK not in the US and not in most other Western countries. In the same way that a crook was caught yesterday when he stole a Land Rover and drove himself to his court (!) appointment. The car had a LoJack installed, so ...

Quote from original. "I downloaded a little Eagle project somewhere from a website I can't even remember. It happened that back then, I reused a very small part of this schema (with copy and paste) in one of my projects and continued to copy and paste the same part from my project into a couple of other projects of mine later on. I forgot the schema I downloaded from said website"

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