Vishay talk bollocks - was re: Teflon Film Tin Foil capacitors

Jul 22, 2006 158 Replies

On 25 Jul 2006 12:49:36 GMT, Bob Quintal Gave us:

They are all constantly moving. Even once "set" the wiper location has to "settle". It can be tracked too. It exhibits more noise until such settling has taken place. Different resistance mediums have different settling times. Wiper material cause variances as well.

Wirewound precision potentiometers do not exhibit this "problem". Only if they get set between two turns of the resistor. The wiper design typically won't allow this though.

Note that the pot that uses a metal wiper contacting a metal resistance medium (wire wound) is far less noisy than the metal wiper contacting a resistance film of "metal" or carbon slurry, etc.

So all of your parallels of thousands of locations don't make as intimate of contact as does metal on metal. That alone should tell you that ten thousand tiny pathways are going to be noisier than a few hundred strong, hard conducting, metal on metal pathways. That is where the noise comes from. Such tiny pathways are constrictive on an individual basis, even though there are enough to make "conduction" "easy", events occur in those pathways that can generate other than the original signal. We call it noise.

In the metal on metal, the path is not constricted in any way, and there are less collisions taking place to make noise.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:42:37 -0500, John Fields Gave us:

I HATE that! :-]

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On 25 Jul 2006 19:32:06 -0700, " snipped-for-privacy@aol.com" The top posting dipshit, gave us:

You're an idiot. The top post proves that.

He's also a believer in *magic capacitors* ! Notably these ones he's recently installed.

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" Now it is possible to get the smooth, liquid, and "musical" presentation of an oil capacitor, but with even better refinement, transparency and inner detail. Hear and feel true low frequency extension without any loss of control. Immerse youself in a holographic soundstage emanating from a velvety black background, while enjoying the midrange liquidity and bloom coveted by oil capacitor afficionados. "

Maybe John would like to clarify for him what he thinks of audiophools ?

Graham

Oh, that hurt. That was cruel and uncalled for. You are Not A Nice Person.

John

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:50:02 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

One of my hobbies is collecting audio terms. Additions are welcome.

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OK, is the proper bottom post? You guys are picky, picky, picky.

I like the caps. I did say ignore the mumbo jumbo. Perhaps audiophool is overly specific. I am an old fool who likes what he hears, whether or not I really hear it or just think I hear it :)

Sorry, Graham, I thought maybe you had the best test gear, I get lots of this technical stuff out of sequence. That's why I don't work, ... well, that and being horizontal, mostly ;)

Actually, I believe Graham cross posted my thread, so only he needs admit to any rabid ear bigotry :)

Happy Ears! Al

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You'll never be criticised for bottom posting for sure. Inline posting is excellent too.

On rare occasions top-posting is acceptable but normally frowned upon otherwise.

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I was meaning to ask what kind of caps they replaced btw. You may be interested to know that *some* caps are indeed unsuitable for audio signal circuits. Notably certain types of ceramic caps ( medium-K and hi-K types ) and electrolyic caps when misused / abused / improperly specced for the job . All can add distortion which is easily measured to clarify the point.

I do have access to Audio Precision test gear but I don't own it. I've considerd buying my own set though.

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It proved interesting and certainly put my mind at rest over something that had been bothering me - noisy surface mount resistors btw - so my aversion to ( or rather caution about ) going suface mount proves not have been misplaced.

Graham

Input voltage (or current, depending on the device) and output resistance.

--scott

"C\'est un Nagra. C\'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 25 Jul 2006 21:40:12 -0700, " snipped-for-privacy@aol.com" Gave us:

It has been a Usenet convention for over 30 years.

Do you run red light just because you feel like it or are too lazy to stop?

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She's been evading our traps and snares. I've been afraid to leave the US alone so they could concentrate on Europe.

The UK lies 1st in the world murder league table, with 13.93 murders per 100,000 population. The USA, with far higher levels of firearms ownership, is 20th, with 9.31 per 100,000. These are Interpol's published figures, not mine. I was also struck by his apparent of ghost stories (he calls them "spirit tales") since I do not know-- It looks not implausible. But I can tell you that reading bits off a disk is a *lot* harder than just digital.

Whose post did you get that from ?

The UK figure is wildly wrong of course. It's actually about 1.6 - a sixth of the US figure.

Graham

You do realize you are talking to a software program, don't you? It's like those email trojans that pick phrases from your correspondence to send to victims in your address book. The random phrases makes it seem legit.

The author is just trying it out to see if anyone falls for it. John also tried to argue with it.

Regards,

Mike Monett

Antiviral, Antibacterial Silver Solution:

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Noise-Rejecting Wideband Sampler:
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I was wondering if it was a bot or human actually. Time to look at the headers to see who's monkeying around.

Graham

Hi RATs!

I wonder about some poster's CPU architecture, myself ;)

I got same value Obbligato Copper caps and put them in one channel. Used one of each brand in the new AC snubber circuit :)

After a few weeks, I will see if my initial enthusiasm was just good vibes or actually good tunes ...

Happy Ears! Al

PS The Obbies cost $2.50 each, which is still out of this world for real professional engineers to spec, so my efforts are probably in vain, no matter what results I conjure up ;)

PPS Meanwhile, the Music is great ...

Hey, Al. Glad to see you're still kickin'an'scratchin'.

Missed the preceding discussion, but glad to hear from ya. Keep 'em flying,

Chris Hornbeck

A "software program". Ok, but Graham is too stupid to understand a troll. Hell, even the newsgroup drunk admitted to figuring it out after *four* posts.

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Kinda like all Europeons. He makes just about as much sense.

Not after a day though.

Keith

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:29:16 -0000, Aristotle Eisenglas Gave us:

Do you always post 100% meaningless tripe?

I figured it out just fine. I was curious to know where the quote had been lifted. I see no-one's owning up.

Graham

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