Triac EMI during commutation and keeping it on to solve the problem

Jun 11, 2023 Last reply: 3 years ago 24 Replies

One leads to the other, more or less.

The problem is seen up to 700kHz.

Measurements comparing a zero crossing controlled triac vs a opto coupler turning the Triac on during the zerocrossing:

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There is no CM inductor, due to the high current of the triac outputs. There is both x and y caps on the triac supply lines.

It's not my design, I am just helping them to pass EMC. The layout is really crappy. CM inductor for a switch mode is placed next to the PSU, but other circuits on the hot side are placed close to the mains side, so it effectively shorts out the performance of the CM inductor. It is not the root cause, since shorting the triac M1/M2 removes the problem, and the implementation I did with turning on the triacs during the zero crossing had the same effect, removing the problem.

The load is a 75W Papst advanced fan, which has build in fan speed control. As seen in the curves I linked to, there is a charging of DC link capacitor for each half wave, so the speed control of the fan is done with vector control probably using a 3 phase power module on a PM motor.

Thanks. I don't get the green trace in the second experiment, is it showing MT1-MT2 of 100V during the negative halfcycle?

piglet

Looks like the issue occurs at turn-off only, in one quadrant only.

Turn off, theoretically should not be affected by enhancment of 'on' drive.

Suggest a smaller gate resistor.

RL

The second plot green trace is linked to the y axis on the right. So maximum voltage across the triac is 0.8V

It does look funny. The load is a fan with inverter inside, so one sees the charging of the DC link capacitor on the peak of the ac cycle.

But the charging during the negative ac cycle is very different from the positive ac cycle. Suggests that something strange is going on inside the fan. Maybe I should buy one of the fans and do a teardown.

Thanks for looking at the plots by the way :-)

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