THE "Universal" OP Amp

Well, I've seem to have managed to confound another group. So, please excuse me for importing this thead.

Instead of continually changing op amps, I am seeking to devise a single design suited to a wide range of applications. The desired criteria are as follows.

4-12V power supply Bandwidth _DC_ through 20KHz DC coupled in and out Unity to 20 gain, variable by trimpot Low power DIP package Drive resistive load of 20 to 200 ohms, Output up to 2A, with Darlington follower Swing as close to rail as is practical

At first, I thought such specs might be mutually exclusive in a fixed design. However, if there are such limitations, they seem to be receeding fast.

For example, there is the "new" OPA569, rated at 2A. It meets my requirements except only operates up to 5.5V.

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Can someone explain, in theory or practice, why something like what I am looking for cannot (apparently) be achieved with a "standard" op amp and a couple of transistors? I am aware there are plenty such devices dediciated strictly to audio, but they do not fit the bill on several counts.

I can imagine this would be of lasting value to thoses who lack the full range of engineering skills.

Thank you for any input.

Trevor Morton

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Trevor Morton
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Well, find an opamp that you like and will do everything except the drive. Then add the equivalent to the LH0002 (damn! been obsoleted) as a current buffer, giving a composite opamp with good drive capability. If you choose properly, the opamp can go to +/-18V supply (or 0/36V).

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Robert Baer

Your "Universal" is false. It is a solution to your requirements, nothing "Universal" about it. So sit again on the specs of this circuit and watch out on conflictic definitions e.g. 12 volt/20ohm load/ low power package.

----> 144/20 = ~7W so where is the low power?

HTH

Stanislaw

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Stanislaw Flatto

"Trevor Moron"

** The only thing "confounded" is you - Moron.

Can't even get the simplest LM386 circuit to work.

....... Phil

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Phil Allison

Doesn't sound too universal to me..... Sounds like an amplifier that that needs desired criteria of......

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Apart from those who want a 'Universal Op-Amp' that does something different.

That's OK....... (If you want to come across as a pretentious cunt) Eeeyore will be along soon to not give you the design you thought you wanted in the first place........

After someone else has told him how to do it and then he won't anyway.

I think that's how it works.

Bonza!

DNA

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"Trevor Moron"

** How come you made no reply to this post ???

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"Trevor Morton"

** Try again - you got it fouled up somehow.

With a 4 volt supply, square wave drive and 33 ohm load ( no coupling cap), the output is a clean. 2.6 volt p-p square wave at *any* frequency up to

20kHz.

With a 12 volt supply, same set up as above, the output swing is 10 volt p-p.

Same p-p swings apply to a sine wave input as well. BTW

Make sure your input signal does not have a DC offset.

....... Phil

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Meeeeoooowww

........ Phil

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Phil Allison

Really, i just received 50 LH0002 to replace a few bad one's in some old FENNER/CONTRX units. i think we paid around 2 bucks each.

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Jamie

I think you can combine the closed loop bandwidth with the maximum gain and say that the opamp must have an open loop gain bandwidth product of at least 20*20k=400kHz. A little extra might not hurt. Lots of opamps have about a 5. to

1MHz GBW product.

(snip)

How about 2 in an 8 pin DIP? Take a look at the LMC6482

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supply range 3 to 15 volts, rail-to-rail input and output, GBW=1.5 MHz (1 MHz with 3 volt supply).

Add a complementary emitter follower made of high gain transistors like ZTX698B and ZTX788A

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And get a peak output current greater than 1 amp something like within a volt or so from each rail (more if you allow 2 volts from rails).

You will have cross over distortion, but you didn't spec that.

For applications that don't need the high output current, eliminate the followers.

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John Popelish

On Mar 24, 3:39?pm, Trevor Morton wrote: I am seeking to devise a single [op amp] design suited to a wide range of applications...

You ever notice that when all you see are hammers, everything looks like a nail?

-mpm

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mpm

That doesn't mean that they are not obsolete. I still have some NOS RTL and DTL ICs, but that doesn't mean that you could buy production quantities. Even Jameco is clearing out their remaining LH0002CN ICs.

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Michael A. Terrell

To me it demonstrates only your disability to understand how an opamp functions.

single supply GBW

every opamp

unity gain stable, but I want infinite gain ridiculous- trimpot

somewhat outdated these days. Only for hobbyists

I rather would like to be able to drive complex loads too.

12V/20R= 600mA to me, not 2A. What about MOSFET output stage?

Rail to Rail output

You left out some very important data like PSRR, CMRR, common mode voltage range, input impedance, offset voltage, Bias current, noise, distortion, linearity, overload recovery etc.

2A with only 150mV voltage drop. Can't be a darlington stage. Something like an LM386 already exists for eons.

The industry doesn't produce parts for beginners like you only. Better you start understanding at least the most fundamental ideas behind opamps. Even a 741 is far more versatile than your data. You seem to have only audio and LED drivers in mind.

I would say GIGO, my answer included. :-(

Moron would be appropriate. There is s.e.b. for posts like this, where stupid questions do not exist.

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ciao Ban
Apricale, Italy
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Ban

...maybe class D is in order?

Reply to
Robert Baer

DigiKey thinks it is obsolete.

Reply to
Robert Baer

Not nearly as pronounced as your *inability* to write in English-approaching a *disability* for sure.

Reply to
Fred Bloggs

what about your Italian?

So don't take it too serious Fred.

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ciao Ban
Apricale, Italy



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Reply to
Ban

I no speaka Italian...but then this is not an Italian newsgroup.

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Fred Bloggs

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 06:39:51 +1000, Trevor Morton wrote:

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The source is DC coupled and ground-referred, and since you're using a single positive DC supply, the output is operating emitter-follower class A and varies about a quiescent Vcc/2.

-- JF

Reply to
John Fields

The best course of action is for you to excuse yourself entirely from USENET.

You never "devised" anything in your entire life and you're not likely to. You might get a clue and ask yourself why there are so many varieties of op amps in the first place. Even a mindless parrot would answer that's because there are so many varieties of applications. So your musings are plain stupidity.

Who cares what you desire, get lost.

Reply to
Fred Bloggs

Thank you John. I am sure this must be what I am looking for, but what program do I import the list into to view the schematic?

Trevor _MORON_

Reply to
Trevor Morton

SwitcherCAD free download from Linear:

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Once you've got SWCAD, cut/paste Johns information to Notepad and then save it with a .ASC extension. Then open it with SWCAD

Ed

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