Snubberinos and SMPS secondary side.

How do you guys implement snubbers on the secondary side of a SMPS transformer

The primary is fullbridge and the power level is 150W. I know FB is overkill for this but this is what I have in front of me. The secondary is centertapped with a standard common cathode two diode FW rectifier and the the DC output voltage is 150VDC. The switching freq is 100KHz (transformer freq).

At max Vin, the transformer secondary (CT to Leg) has peak flat topped voltage of 375V plus an additional +/-200V of 5Mhz ringing on the edges. This ringing damps down from max amplitude to zero in ~3uS. Looks textbook. This is very consistant. I had to double check that the scope was still triggering. :)

In lab testing, I placed a 320pF cap and 250 ohm resistor across the secondary (leg - leg) and the ringing was critically damped. Any higher or smaller resistor and the amplitude got larger. Unfortunately The power dissipation in the resistor as very high (~15W) so I'm looking at alternative ways to damp this ringing without so much heat being generated.

Changing the magnetics or diodes is unfortunately not an option. :(

Would snubbing across each diode achieve the same goal (reduce peak amplitude and less EMI) and dissipate less power?

How about R-C snubber from CT to leg on both legs instead of leg to leg.

Anything more fancy than a R-C snubber applicable here?

thanks?

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mook johnson
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Is there a choke after the diodes or they are connected directly to the reservoir capacitor?

You are dealing with the spike in the reverse direction of the diodes, is that right?

Those two options could work.

  1. Punk solution: slow down the turn off of the FETs on the primary side.
  2. Use the full bridge rectifier at the secondary.

  1. Non-dissipative L-C-D snubbers, or additional winding on the transformer.

Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

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Vladimir Vassilevsky

Yes there is a choke after the diodes with the traditional LC output filter.

I'll look at slowing down the fets. I hate doing that but it may be the lesser of two evils.

Full bridge no possible. :(

Tell me about implementing LCD snubbers in this case.

thanks Vlad.

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mook johnson

I wonder if one could build a Cockcroft?Walton voltage multiplier sort of thing to capture the ringing and recirculate the energy into the DC output node. It actually wouldn't take a lot of parts... some Central multi-diodes and some capacitor packs.

Or maybe highpass it, transformer couple, and return the energy to the primary side. The recycler could even be resonant at the ringing frequency.

John

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John Larkin

I was thinking the same thing of stearing that energy back to the input or the output. The input and output are on the same ground (non isolated) so thats a step in the right direction.

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mook johnson

The ringing is normally associated with the arm that is turning off - in this case freewheeling current being interrupted in the rectifier that is being temporarily reverse-biased.

If the snubber is dealing directly with this single loop, it is more effective, so two individual snubber networks will work better than just one. As the voltage swing on the snubbed branch is halved, the capacitive energy loss in a single snubber is quartered - net energy loss is halved for the new pair being used.

Lossy 'spike-killer' type beads might be a prescription if the oscillations were ten times higher in frequency, but at 3MHz I see no benefit, except perhaps in reducing the reverse di/dt in the extinguishing rectifier. At higher voltages, the bead would be in series with the rectifier and a small cap placed across the rectifier itself. As the beads saturate with each switching cycle, power loss may be currie-temperature limited, unless adequate heat-sinking is provided.

RL

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legg

The ringing could very well be caused by the kick back of the L into the stray inductance of the transformer. Try adding the catch diode to the ground before the LC, just like in the buck topology.

Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

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