Hello Folks,
Got stuck when trying to simulate an NTC. This temperature-variant resistor will be the only variable input so ".STEP" and stuff do not cut it because that only overlays multiple curve in an AC or DC simulation. I want just one curve: Output of my circuit versus varying NTC resistor value.
Tried to make a voltage dependent resistor this way:
It works but is incredibly slow. Any better ideas?
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Do you need a voltage to resistance converter? That's easy if you have a multiplier. Interestingly, LT Spice doesn't provide a multiplier component.
John
Well, the one in the link works now. Turns out one shall not get too close to very low values where LTSpice has a hard time. At least it heats my office :-)
When do we get some global warming out here?
This function stuff is pretty cool. For example, it can be used to get pressure sensor readings from a file into something that electrically resembles the sensor.
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Get this file...
VVR.zip VOLTAGE VARIABLE RESISTOR SYMBOL/SUBCIRCUIT
On the Subcircuits and Symbols Page of my website.
It's just a text file... all you care about is the "Template" line. ...Jim Thompson
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Joerg a écrit :
The way I'd do it is with a B current source (OK, sink). Basically you measure voltage across the NL resistor nodes (a,b) and sink a current between these nodes which is your NL function of V(a,b).
That also better handles the R=0 pathological case, because you're less tempted to allow infinite current flow :-)
-- Thanks, Fred.
Thanks, will check it out. Got the circuit pretty much done by now but some day if I get more of those little temp sense projects I want to pour the Steinhart-Hart equation in there. Then I'd have a true temperature-variable resistor. LTSpice has the nice feature of being able to read in a WAV table.
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That's a good idea. Right now I map a variable voltage source into a resistor. Works, but leaves one weirdness: kiloohms on the horizontal scale are labeled kilovolts.
I always wondered if there'd be a way to inlude a phssst ... *POOF* function in LTSpice, with audio effects, sirens and all. That would be nice to have during a design review :-)
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Read up on behavioral modeling techniques... lots of simulation power there. ...Jim Thompson
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Some XSPICE simulators allow you to monitor values during simulation and do almost whatever you want. The one I use handles wave files, so maybe :-)
-- Thanks, Fred.
Loosen up them thar spats, the multiplier "element" is "*" :-)
As in...
Emult Outnode1 Outnode2 Value = {(Vinnode1,0)*(Vinnode2,0)}
[Snicker :-] ...Jim Thompson
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Sorry, Joerg, I misread your need. It's actually quite simple, IF you can describe the TC with coefficients of T and T^2... make your own resistor model:
Resistor
General form
R [model name]
TC1, and TC2 are the linear and squared coefficients, respectively.
See the LTspice manual for clarity (the above was pasted from PSPCREF.pdf) ...Jim Thompson
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Hello John,
LTspice has B-deviecs. They can do a lot of math.
* ** power / divide sin tanh expSee the help pages for B-devices. The B-device is the best device to implement a NTC-resistor with it's exponential resistance versus temperature function.
The LTspice Yahoo group provides examples.
Best regards, Helmut
In the current case it's a whole lot uglier than that, see under "Inverse of the equation":
T (Temperature) must be scooted. I think LTSpice will have a cow when I try this.
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Sure, but a canned multiplier component would be handy, without a bunch of typing. As would an ideal diode. At least they have ideal opamps.
John
Then use a resistance vs temperature table... trivial in PSpice, probably so in LTspice.
Besides, that smells like unnecessary obfuscation :-)
What kind of NTC?
They're usually spec's as R = Ro*e^(beta*(1/T-1/To)) ...Jim Thompson
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Lazy spat wearer, can't even roll his own B-devices ;-) ...Jim Thompson
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Depends on the client, how much precision they want, how much MIPS is there, how much RAM is there.
Just the regular kind, silicon-based resistor.
In industry it's usually the 2-term or the 3-term Steinhart-Hart equation.
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There are modulators though, regular and I/Q, under special functions.
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It's "usually" the equation I cited... I have several books here that say so ;-)
And it's trivial to do in Spice. ...Jim Thompson
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