RF PA oscillator.

Now I want to build a PA @ 80.36MHz, 75W on 50 ohm output.

What oscillator type shall I use? I am learning RF PA design now.

clapp? pierce? colpitts? hartley? or DSS? FPGA or a single high speed DAC + current feedback OPAMP?

I want ~50mW from the oscillator.

Thanks!

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John Lee
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If you are focusing on the PA, then buy the oscillator or use sig gen to develop the PA.

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brent

"John Lee"

** Errr - I guess you are thinking of using a third overtone crystal in here somewhere ??
** Not possible without one or two stages of RF amplification.

BTW:

80 MHz is not a free for all frequency with that kind of RF power.

Think licences, certification etc.

.... Phil

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Phil Allison

l in

In the US, 80.36 MHz is allocated for TV-5 and amateur use.

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mpm

I suspect you're thinking of the 80 meter band, not 80.36 MHz.

80.36 MHz is not allocated for amateur use in the US.

Ed

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ehsjr

The oscillator type is almost completely immaterial to the power amplifier design.

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Tim Wescott

Pick one out of the textbook, or ask the teacher for clarification of the assignment.

Good Luck! Rich

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Rich Grise

"mpm" "Phil Allison"

In the US, 80.36 MHz is allocated for TV-5 and amateur use.

** 75 watts of RF on 80.36 MHz would blot out TV sets on Ch 5 for many miles around.

..... Phil

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Phil Allison

I don't know what the oscillator has to do with the PA.

If you don't need a wide-range VFO, any oscillator will work. Just keep the harmonics more than 15dB down, and apply a good packaged filter device. My interest is mainly in the 2m band, where Minicircuits make a 7 stage low-pass filter in 1206 size!

You'll need to keep the PA very clean too - resonant or LPF at least.

However, I've been learning how to design clean RF oscillators, and have a few comments on Colpitts vs Hartley. When the active device turns on, the Hartley pumps energy into an inductor, whereas Colpitts dumps it into a capacitor. That means that the Hartley amplitude-limits on current (the resistance in the on-state circuit) whereas the Colpitts is voltage-limited. Distortion in the pure-sine waveform is cause by this asymmetric pumping action, so, assuming you have just enough gain, it depends on how smoothly the device turns on and off. This is easier to get right with a Colpitts than with a Hartley.

The tank voltage in a Hartley may be several times the supply voltage, so you need to avoid zenering any BE junctions, b/c that will cause more distortion and harm the device.

I'd use a Colpitts, and add AGC if I wanted a clean wide-range VFO. The following LTSpice circuit is the best I've been able to do around 150MHz with 2 transistors. The output should be buffered with an emitter follower coupled by 1pF to the tank. I'd appreciate comments from Jim Thomson and others on how to improve it.

Clifford Heath.

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Clifford Heath

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So far I am learning. I prepare from the SMPS to the VSWR protection from directional coupler. I even don't know where to put the protection output to where? oscillator? or amplifier stage modulator? I have one oscillator, one driver stage, one amplifier stage. On amplifier stage, I will use collector modulation. This is much like for ISM band use like 13.56, 27.12, 40.68. 80MHz has its own advantages.

I will use collector modulated, class E amps. The oscillator is important because a good sine wave will save a lot work on the load. load is 50ohm. So far I know people use colpitts from S-band, hartley for high voltage (kV) RF as well as for 27.12MHz 50Watt amplifier.

I just need a single frequency. VCO is for future development only.

Reply to
John Lee

Then use any oscillator, but low-pass filter the output well, and don't under-drive it, since that tends to give subharmonics.

Clifford Heath.

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Clifford Heath

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