Resolve sub-millivolts with a PIC?

Dec 11, 2010 42 Replies

Thanks for the pictures. I dug out the scope and did the same experiment. My waveforms look kinda like yours except that the external influence of air currents makes the curves all "wobbly". I can see when I reached across the bench to press the scope trigger button. Interesting that the waveform integrates to an extremely nice-looking smooth exponential.

We've been at this for a while. If I were to paraphrase your input, It would be something like, "What you're doing is trivial; I've done it; Here's the pix".

My response is, "What YOU are doing is trivial; thanks for the input; nice pix".

The critical difference in our results is that my signals are 60dB weaker than yours at the digitizer.

The whole concept behind this thread is/was to resolve sub-millivolts with a PIC. It's not a thread on amplification of sub-millivolt signals... OK, it has turned into that, but that is not helpful to me.

In the spirit of "fix it in software" I'd planned to do the derivatives to predict the asymptote of the exponential in software. After looking at the scope, I've decided that the integration/averaging times required are gonna be too long for that to be a solution.

As for experiments, your PIC breadboard must be much better than mine. I'm using an old Heathkit unit with built-in generators and power. The power transformer sits right under the breadboard. I'd never even try to get 100microvolt resolution on that system. I had enough trouble with 10-bits on the A/D in a 16F877a.

I'm giving up for now. I've got some chip thermistors that I'm gonna mount on opposite sides of some very thin ECB material. Measuring differential resistance is MUCH easier and the thermal time constant can be much shorter.

Thanks for the inputs.

Fine, let us know which instrument op-amp you decide on. Should be interesting..

I am sure if you can get a PIC to resolve resolution of that detail that is useful with out adding from end gain support, Microchip would like to hear from you...

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Yeah there was always this DC offset until I moved away from the bench. Then the scope trace would move closer to zero.

Oh no, I was really interested in using TEC's to measure heat flow, when I read the thread I couldn't help but chime in. (Actually I should be editing a manual and writing some bits of it... I hate that so this is a nice distraction... I'm kinda ruining my weekend though.)

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I've just got this piece of white 'plug strip' proto board. I added an aluminum side, to which I have drilled holes and attached BNC's, pot's switches etc...

Here's something interesting. When I did this before I had a 1" by

1/2" TEC. This time I used a TEC with 1/2 the area, (0.5" x0.5"), and the same thickness. I was expecting 1/2 the response time (5 seconds vs. the previous 10), but it was longer! a bit less than 15 seconds. I didn't expect that. Perhaps to get a fast response you need a thin, low current, TEC.

Walking around tonight I was thinking you could make this into a 'thermal gradiometer', (I just made that word up. (I'm sure I'm not the first)) Imagine a big spherical heat sink, you drill a hole the size of the TEC down to the center. Mount one side of the TEC to the heat sink... It 'measures' the average temperature. The other side 'looks' up the hole and measures the difference in that direction. You can swing it around and look in different directions. But you can't touch it.

I was wondering how pit vipers and other snakes do thermal sensing?

OK, I've got work to do.

George H.

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