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>> > > > > > MooseFET wrote:
>> > > > > The health care system's policy on looking for various cancers in the
>> > > > > elderly can have a big impact of the survival rate number. If nobody
>> > > > > finds the cancer and a heart attack kills you, it may never be known
>> > > > > of. This improves the cancer survival number.
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>> > > > Cancer survival rates reflect the survival of people treated for
>> > > > cancer--clearly the cancers were detected !
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>> > > > > The eating habbits in poor countries are not very good. It is the
>> > > > > countries with a modest economic system that generally have a good
>> > > > > diet. The poor tend to eat way too much of things like corn that are
>> > > > > super cheap.
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>> > > > > Of the richer countries, the US was near the bottom of the list.
>> > > > > There has to be more at work than having the money to buy junk food.
>>
>> > > > Why does there have to be any more at work? Why do we need look any
>> > > > farther?
>>
>> > > Others have the money to buy junk food too. You made a claim about
>> > > the eating habits that was wrong it two ways. I pointed out both.
>>
>> > I've travelled much and don't agree--poor people in Chile, for
>> > example, eat fish.
>>
>> > But then maybe you've been some places I haven't,
>>
>> I was in China some time back. The diet of the poor was very heavy on
>> rice. Other places in the far east had so little vitamin A intake
>> that blindness was more common that it should have been. In China a
>> lot of people I saw were fairly obviously in bad health.
>>
>> > so you could easily
>> > prove your point: kindly show us one of those European countries--
>> > enjoying slightly longer average life expectancies--that also matches
>> > our junk food consumption, obesity, and diabetes rates. Then we'll
>> > compare outcomes.
>>
>> You have made a claim that the diet explains the difference and
>> brought a claim about the poor into it. I don't need to prove
>> anything. At the most I need only to show some evidence that you were
>> incorrect in your claim.
>
>No, Joerg said that. I seconded the theory, but you're the one who
>said "There has to be more at work than having the money to buy junk
>food."
>
>But the initial question, which you originally raised, was whether
>modest improvements in European life expectancy over ours are due to
>better healthcare--your theory--or other simple, obvious factors (mine
>& Joerg's).
>
>They're thinner, for one. We have more young people dying in
>gangfights, for another. (A few dead 18 year-olds really drags down
>the average.)
>
>How many Europeans vs: Americans are obese, and what's their rate of
>diabetes?
>
Sounds to me that crowds of fat brits...
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are standing in lines, panicked, to pull their cash out of failing banks...
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But I bet they are neatly queued!
John