Re: Magnetic force

Sep 20, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 6 Replies


I have an optically-couple "supervisory port" on my


> devices. A design requirement is that the outer surfaces
> of the devices must be "wipe clean" -- no ridges or
> grooves.
>
> I mechanically attach the mating "cable" to the port
> magnetically (an idea I stole from designing electric
> power meters -- but, they aren't "wipe clean"!)
>
> As I can't rely on any significant mechanical structures
> to help maintain the attachment's position, that must
> be guaranteed solely by the strength of the magnetic
> bond.
>
> I have a 1/4" dia glass "jewel" that is just barely convex
> to protect the optical port and support light passage.
> The slight bump helps locate the port as well as some small
> assistance in keeping the mated "cable" positioned properly.
>
> In no case can the needs of the port exceed a concentric
> diameter of 1/2". I plan for the magnet to only be present
> in the mating cable so its adhesion will be determined by
> the metallic ring surrounding the jewel.
>
> I figure I need to specify a magnet strong enough to
> "support" (against the force of gravity exerted on the
> mass of the cable) the cable in a horizontal position
> (i.e., "mated to the ceiling"). And, to support the
> cantilevered weight of the cable when mounted
> vertically.
>
> I may opt to implement the "cable" as a wireless dongle
> if the weight of the cable assembly starts to compromise that
> magnetic adherence.
>
> I guess I also need to consider the magnetic force exerted
> through the friction between the mating surfaces when
> mounted vertically (so the cable doesn't "slide down the wall") >
> Anything else I should consider? I realize that the cable end
> now will have a tendency to want to grab onto metallic objects
> so have to factor that into my dongle vs. cable decision
> (it's a lot easier to control the position of a dongle in
> space than the end of a possibly *dangling* cable!)
>
> I suspect the adhering "metal" piece has to be on the skin
> of the device as the magnetic field falls off quickly with
> distance -- diluting the ability of the cable to remain
> EXACTLY where desired. A "decal" over the surface likely
> would be tolerable...

Would a rounded bump on the device be acceptable? A matching hollow in the cable end could then locate over it.


Something like this:

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or this, for a stronger retaining force?

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This approach will attract and hold magnetic debris, like rust and iron filings. Is that a problem, or is wiping enough? If the magnets are strong enough, debris removal may be difficult to do in practice.

Joe Gwinn

Not if the non-magnet side is soft enough magnetically.

That'll work so long as the magnet isn't too strong.

A good way to clean stuff off a magnet pole is adhesive tape.

I'd take a rare earth magnet and roll it around on the floor of the garage, and see what you catch.

Joe Gwinn

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If the surface is too convoluted for the tape to work, there is a product in the UK called "Copydex", which is sold as a carpet glue but can be used to remove debris from a magnet. It is an emulsified latex solution which doesn't stick well to metal surfaces and can be peeled off easily.

You apply the Copydex thickly over the surface to be cleaned - and then wait. Eventually the milky white liquid dries to complete transparency, then it is strong enough to be peeled off, bringing the debris with it.

It needs to peel off easily. The silicone caulk I have used has always stuck very firmly to metal.

Yes, this is very much a specialist tool for getting metal debris out of magnet gaps in moving coil meter movements or disc cutterheads, where time is not a major factor.

Sounds like a modern equivalent to soft Collodion, which is widely used to clean optical surfaces.

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Joe Gwinn

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