Re: Long term software update mechanism

Nov 25, 2023 Last reply: 2 years ago 5 Replies


I need a mechanism to allow for software updates to be


> installed.  The (abused) "on-line" approach is unacceptable
> (it forces the device to be "exposed" and makes updates
> too easy (which seems to mean too frequent!).
>
> Pisser is that I need a mechanism that will be supportable
> for 20-30 years.  This likely rules out many commodity
> approachs (will we be using NANO-SD cards?  PICO-SD cards?
> will USB A/B have given way to C?  Or D/E/F?)
>
> If you assume updates are few and far between, the cost
> of the transport medium has little impact on TCO (unlike
> on-line updates which have a big impact on TCO!).
>
> And, if you further assume that the time to perform an
> update is immaterial (because they are infrequent and
> because the system allows updates to happen WHILE it is
> in use -- unlike "reboot to complete your update"),
> then you don't need a fast interface to deliver the new
> content.
>
> So, it seems that a reasonable approach could be a "module"
> that talks to the product using an existing communications
> medium inherent in the product's design (in my case, wired
> or wireless ethernet).  The design of the "update device"
> can then change with each update -- so long as the system
> interface remains constant.
>
> A dog slow "processor" that can push packets from some
> storage medium out to the system interface offers lots
> of design opportunities for processing (dedicated logic)
> and storage (media devices).
>
> Because it is active, it can also make note of how and
> when it was "consumed" (should reuse want to be discouraged)
>
> As it's only a one-time use device, there's no need to make it
> serviceable -- discard when done.  (no desire to have it
> returned for reuse as it's cost would be a handful of dollars;
> likely less than the price of a first class *stamp*, soon)
>
> Any problems with this approach?  Export controls may be an
> issue but I can leave that to someone else to sort out;
> maybe just ignore those markets?  (I've had to work in markets
> where you had to smuggle EPROMs through customs...)
>

I wouldn't want to rely on wireless ethernet - there's too much in there that could change over time to the extent that no then available device could talk to it.


Preventing managers from causing on-line update to become available is really difficult as long as software can do updating, since even if on-line update is not implemented from day one, it could be implemented via the last non-online update.


The solution is a device that is physically incapable of updating itself unless some local action is taken, such as pressing a button. As long as no one implements a remote button-pressing device.


Sylvia.


Futureproofing is an unsolved problem. Backstop for such issues, is swapping major parts of the device back to the factory.

This assumes the factory with the update is not in a war zone or supervolcano caldera.

An Ethernet socket and a dedicated line to connect it to whatever hardware du jour happens to be? I can't see physical wired Ethernet going away any time soon. (other cheap fast serial protocols are available)

I still have the odd thing hanging around that requires it's firmware to be bitbashed down a bidirectional parallel printer port (remember them?). I keep one such machine with that, RS485, an ancient SCSI card and even more antique IEEE488 card for just such occasions.

The one that really annoys me is my high end internet radio tuner (early adopter) the BBC has effectively bricked it since they changed their streaming format and the device now more than 5 years old is no longer supported. It is a *BIG* problem with so-called "smart" devices :(

It still works fine for ROW programme content.

Gee, Martin, what part of “move fast and break things“ didn’t you get? ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

It bothers me that such devices are typically inside one's firewall, and that one's security is therefore dependent on whatever security is in place at the server side.

I've created a separate LAN for such devices (Smart TV, etc), but that's going to beyond the skills of most owners, who are most likely not even aware of the issue.

Sylvia.

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