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> > > > House just passed the bill. 220:215.
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> > > > Symbolically it happened on November 7th, the day of the Great Soci=
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> > > Revolution in Russia in 1917.
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> > > > Andrew
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> > > Whatever one's view on socialized medicine, it's a dreadful
> > > implementation. =A0It's not possible for a person who read and
> > > understood this bill's measures and ramifications to have voted for i=
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> > in good conscience. =A0It's one thing to argue we need a rocket to th=
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> > moon, and another to build it from baling wire and toothpicks.
> > > Indefensible, really.
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> > > One Republican vote, Anh Cao, R-LA.
> > > =A0
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> > So you need to reform your electoral system to make your elected
> > represenetative less susceptible to influence from the well-heeled,
> > such as the insurance companies who are making a great deal of money
> > out of providing a less than comprehensive health care sytem that
> > offers health care no better than that provided by the fully
> > comprehensive French and German systems for around 2/3rds of the price
> > per head.
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> > Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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> It's a travesty on several fronts:
> =A0 a) the process: a massive bill, concocted in secrecy, and passed
> without review or debate.
> =A0 b) the cost: defies imagination, at a time we can ill-afford it.
> =A0 c) care: is not improved, just diluted--taken from Medicare and
> spread more thinly over more recipients.
> =A0 d) the merits: the mechanics, the implementation, the intrusiveness
> tentacles protruding into so many aspects of society; the complexity,
> and so forth.
> =A0 e) the mandates--compellng citizens to buy a product they may not
> want, by force of law, enacted by representatives who could not
> possibly have read it (1,990 page version released late Oct. 29th,
> with hundreds of pages of amendments since, many appended on voting
> day).
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> I chanced upon this surprising piece of sanity w.r.t. the process at
> the PuffHo site:
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> Personally, I supported President Obama in the primaries and the
> election but do not support him on this corporate giveaway built on
> broken campaign promises. I voted for the Barack Obama who opposed the
> individual mandate
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> said the negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN
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m/watch?v=3DApi4fUziAnI) and who campaigned against
backroom deals with PhARMA
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> Conservatives have expressed outrage for months about the way the
> health care bill was handled. Their anti-government anger is misplaced
> because the lets the insurances and drug companies who really helped
> drive this bill off the hook. But I understand their sense that this
> bill was passed despite the people.
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> Progressives should be every bit as upset that President Obama lied to
> us to get his historic health bill. The citizens of this country did
> not have a seat at the table. Proponents of the Single Payer didn't
> have a seat at the table. Under the guise of health care reform, we
> watched as the insurance industry got a bill passed that entrenches
> and enriches them.
>
> Don't let anyone fool you that this bill is a good start. It's got a
> poison pill "Public Option" that is designed to fail.
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> --
> Cheers,
> James Arthur- Hide quoted text -
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James did you really vote for Obama? I voted for him, but I thought you leaned the other way.
George H.