Well, what does he expect... Buy crap, get crap. Had he bought quality stuff, he'd not have the problem.
Even so-called quality (brand name) stuff is manufactured in China, so even that doesn't guarantee anything anymore.
They are notorious for omitting or subbing inferior (counterfeit) components in production runs; unless your prepared to stand over their shoulder 24/7 chances are you may not be getting what you paid for.
Its a different world over there. Note the publicity for the gulf oil spill compared to the huge oilspill in China where peasants are going out in the lake with bags trying to retrive the oil by hand.
Chinese make stuff according to your specs as long as you look over their shoulder.
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Just like everyone else.
Wake up, Xenophobes, the real crisis threatening our comfortable world is our inability to compete with China. We owe them for heaps of stuff we've stuffed our faces with, and there's very little we can make to pay them back that they can't make better and cheaper for themselves.
In the current circumstances, racist taunting is pathetic.
Ian
I never said it doesn't happen here. I am saying it is far more likely to happen there.
You can speak for yourself. I'm Canadian our economy didn't collapse from unsustainable debt its doing just fine thank you.
Eventually if everybody starts making below poverty line wages no-one will be buying anything. That is the only way anyone could compete with the Chinese. So I guess you'll be the first in line to take an
80% cut in your pay and any cushy benefits you may have,eh?I don't consider pointing out the obvious as racist. Its like when Muslims complain about being singled out at airport security. Sorry but its not Jews, or white guys trying to kill us now is it? Whining about racism is a pathetic argument and used only by feeble minds.
No, he's exactly right. Others will make what you spec, if you're willing to pay for it.
Captain Obvious strikes again!
Believeing that there is no difference is suicidal.
"Racist" is the epithet that leftists hurl any time you disagree with them. Their ego is so hyper-inflated that they self-rank themselves as superior to any other form of thought (much like John "The Bloviator" Larkin). The only cure I see is to introduce them to the Periodic Table of Elements, with special emphasis on Atomic Number 82 :-) ...Jim Thompson
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I observe...
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Here they just call us ignorant. I consider myself a realist.
If hard left wing party was in power during the Second World War; SS troops would be goose stepping down the Gardiner express way in Toronto while they debated what to do. Of course any action couldn't hurt anyone's feelings or deliberately target any religion or race or people who wear white socks.
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Spice is like a sports car...
Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
Seems a bit unlikely, given that construction on the Gardiner wasn't started until '55.
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Well I was making a point not giving a history lesson on the GTA infrastructure construction time lines.I know it wasnt referred to as the GTA back then but you'll let it slide wont you.
But OK then Goose stepping in front of the parliament buildings.
;-)
Yup. We declared war on Germany on September 10, 1939 (it was not automatic as in WWI, Parliament had to act), then created the world's fourth-largest navy in the space of a few years, then put it all to bed (mostly) once the war had been won. Hard to imagine that happening today, but it's also hard to imagine a challenge of that magnitude that doesn't end with a series of mushroom clouds and the subsequent elimination of all democratic governments anywhere on earth for the next century or two.
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Here is hoping it doesn't happen again.
Letting our armed services deteriorate to such as state is a big mistake because the next time we won't have the time to build it back-up.
The next major conflict could possibly be up north a little closer to home. Quite a fuss is being made about land and territory that was once considered useless. What with global warming ;-) opening up all the ice, resources that were once considered to costly to recover are now starting to look very profitable.
Well a major conflict over the north may seem unlikely at the time. I wouldn't rule it out all together; wars were started over less. We keep saying never again but yet here we are.
Well Afghanistan can hardly be compared to WWII it wouldn't take to much for things to escalate out of hand in any conflict no matter how small. Syria and N.Korea are just two wild cards of many I can think of.
I would prefer to own a gun and never have to use it; then not have one when I needed it.
or if he had RTFM ....
Do you think the same is true of the US? The UN GINI (income inequality) numbers are not that different (46.9 vs. 40.8 in 2007). They look to be on a similar trajectory:
The urban middle class in China is pretty numerous now, though a small percentage of the total. Maybe about the same as the US population.
One thing about the US is that people making $250K a year and people making $25K a year might both say they were middle class.
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I'm glad you said 'so-called' because by definition "made in China" means crap product. There are quality, non-chinese items if one is willing the pay the price.
Your right its not something I've looked at recently.
The key words being " small percentage of the total"
Correct but I'm not US.
I fail to see how it is OUR problem that the Chinese have happily accepted trillions in IOU's (and thrashed their ecosystem along the way) for goods and services rendered.
We will never "pay them back", You see, While "we" *know* that the debt will eventually be defaulted on, the Chinese are finally beginning to suspect that they are dealing with crooks after being burned several times over. That is why the Chinese are placing export restrictions on rare earths, cokes, phosphorus and other "feeder items" that are needed to produce technological goods; they will not swap precious resources for mere paper. Russia feels the same about wheat. When this catches on it is effectively Hyperinflation: Money cannot buy what you need making money worthless, only real goods and services have value. A whole new world.
The real crisis here is debt, or more precisely, the bloated size of the finance sector relative to GDP, around 40% of GDP in most western economies, and the finance sector is commonly holding "assets" up to
300% GDP. Said "assets" being mostly other peoples debt it will be most funny to watch that pile of shit unravel - which it will after our dear leaders have committed every scrap of income to the maw of the beast.Due to the influence of the finance sector, "our leaders" had to promote "globalisation" to push down manufacturing costs, salaries and prices for finished goods in order to achieve "low inflation" which in turn could be used to justify low interest rates needed to keep the ever larger leverage profitable. Now the debt cannot be serviced because too many jobs went to China in order to keep salaries perpetually low so the governments have the central banks buy up the debt. Once the Oligarchs have sold at par, then we will default. Just wait and see.
Could both be right, if #1 lives in MA, CA, or NY, and #2 lives in TX or FL.
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The IOUs are dollars and other currencies. Trash the IOUs and surely you trash those currencies?
I try to see through the smoke and mirrors of money and banking, and look at the flow of goods and services. If the old industrialised world can't barter effectively, then China will stop supplying. Certainly that is China's plan. That would leave them with their own crisis of overproduction, and it's interesting to observe how they're handling it. The plan is to radically increase their own consumption. The hope is that rapid inflation has a different meaning in the context of a socialist state than it had in, for example, pre-war Germany.
China isn't daft. All this is part of the plan. Unlike in liberal "democracies", their plans are meaningful. They can actually carry them out. Just listening to one of the scientists returned to China from the US, doing environmental research in a spanking new lab bigger than a football field, saying it reminds him of the boy with the magic pen. Everything they draw becomes real. For the moment, at least.
Exactly. And you said you failed to see why it is OUR problem. Strip away the smoke and mirrors and it's hard to see how liberal "democracy" can survive with shrinking available resources and markets. Germany appears to be doing OK but that may be another illusion. It's not that I'm prophecising doom...maybe all this can be dealt with simply and painlessly. Whining, sulking, or name-calling is unlikely to help much.
China has been doing much more than limiting exports of key resources. For some time it has insisted that it's suppliers of capital equipment and infrastructure have handed over their technology as part of the deal. Consequently it has much less need for importing those goods. Three years after buying its first high speed trains, for example, it was in a position to win major contracts for supplying Chinese high speed trains to the rest of the world, faster and cheaper than Kawasaki, from whom it bought the technology. Every part of those trains are of Chinese design and manufacture, although I guess many are superficially modified. Soon they will be unveiling their 500kph model.Also, it has been policy for some time to buy mines, for example, rather than the stuff that comes out of them.
Looking into the future a little, the plan includes production of a third of the world's lap- tops within 5 yrs. Currently they produce none, and don't know how. So a town is being built for the purpose, for a quarter of a million engineers and production workers, who will be given whatever resources they need to get the job done.
They're also buying up vehicle manufacturers. I'm wondering when they'll get to cola, hamburgers, and baked beans.
Of course the other side of that coin is that those western economies don't produce enough of the stuff they are used to consuming.
What is the beast our leaders are committing every scrap of income to? Where does this income actually go? A lot of Europeans have been left bemused by the sub-prime mortgage excuse and the blaming of speculators, hedge fund villians, and assorted crooked bankers. We're happy to be grumpy and vindictive towards them but, after a while we wonder, if we lost a zillion Euros-worth of assorted currencies, where's the money now? Who's got the dosh? Why aren't they spending it? Then, the more the practical realities of unemployment and falling pay hit home, the more the arguments about international finance appear hopelessly abstract and contrived.
Right, OK. Crikey. Do you think that the Oligarchs, and the states that accomodate them, will then be left with enough of the world to operate in sustainably, after the reshuffle of alliances that will precede and follow such an event?
Do you think there may be a route to an alternative, perhaps in the longer term? Is it possible, for example, to move technological development fast enough to generate new markets in the same dwindling world? Can liberal "democracy" prosper without growth? Will the "invisible hand" deal with the change, or will it require management at a higher level than the corporation...perhaps by the state?
Sounds like the US is having an internal debate on this issue which has polarised opinions. I'm a bit shocked that much of one side of this argument appears to be merely reactionary. Canute springs to mind. Obama is more popular here.
Ian
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