POTS line quality help

Attached are two text (capture) files of tests i have done; i purposely used lower case so my commands via modem would stand out from modem responses. I have the USR CD and it gives the AT command set for their modem(s). Other than the possibility of the Xn command, i see no way to set data rate. Please review those files and advise what i should try next.

** Called "wonderful" "helpful" Qwest about connection problem. The extensive phone line testing was done in Apr 2009 with complete bill of health including almost no noise; that is when the tech said that a stinger had (note tense) been installed. The idiot at Qwest maintains there is no record of that, there is no way to determine that, and that nobody there knows what i am talking about (!!). The very same idiot maintains that i can communicate at _any_ data rate even above 1M (!!) and to call my ISP about the problem.
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Robert Baer
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Telco's, USWEST/QWEST included, running out of inter-office copper, had to "grandfather" the metallic 0-15 DC signal channel and discontinued the offering. It was replaced by voice-grade signal channel, and the customer had to provide their own tone hardware. Later, customers were advised of a date on which even the grandfathered channels would be discontinued.

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You're overly critical. The DC signal channel was an offered service throughout the Bell System. I probably even have a copy of the Technical Publication somewhere.

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You're right, the person appears to be oblivious. There is a very simple way for that phone answerer to obtain all the details of the facility assigned to your phone line. It's called, appropriate enough, the Line Assignment record.

I can't call them about this for you, because I am not your designated representative. If you have a way to conference me onto a call with them, however, I can talk with them. But it might cost you a beer at the nearest McMenamins.

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You're overly critical. The DC signal channel was an offered service throughout the Bell System. I probably even have a copy of the Technical Publication somewhere.

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Try setting S32 to 96.

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JosephKK

I presume you reviewed the two ascii files attached elsewhere; i made a third try with a differrnt setting S0=1, S32=2 and the modem indicated speed 45333/26400 with protocol LAPM/SREJ (whatever that means). So i went into dial-up networking and changed the initialization string for that. The little double-monitor icon now indicates 48K which is a decided improvement. Any way i can goose it more?

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Robert Baer

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OK; that is a bit different than S32=98 where i have been having trouble since the "stinger" and also different than S32=2 which seems to give me 48K, a decided improvement. Will let you know what that change does.

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Robert Baer

I tried initialization string S0=1 S32=96 and connection was refused; setting back (no reboot) to S0=1 S32=2 gives connection and 48K rate.

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Robert Baer

To see if i could control the data rate, i tried "z s0=1 s32=2 &n38" for initialization string (force 56K) and nogo; then "z s0=1 s32=2 &n36" and got 48K (supposed to force 53.3K), then "z s0=1 s32=2 &n17" and still got 48K (supposed to force 28K). So i dropped the &n and am using "z s0=1 s32=2" for now.

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Robert Baer

Do not understand the modem response speed 45333/26400 but discovered that download rate can be extremely slow IF IT EXISTS AT ALL, so i reverted to the standby "S0=0 S23=98" even tho that gives me 28.8K at best; it works in both directions. Suggestions for consistent 48K both directions?

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Robert Baer

Changing the xon character to 96 = 0x60 = ' is unlikely to be helpful. Where did you get the idea that this would be sensible?

Default is S32=17 and it would only be relevant if you were on a poxy three wire serial link without hardware handshaking. This is extremely unlikely for an internal modem. Typically they have a much larger FIFO than standard serial port chipsets and fullspeed hardware handshaking.

I strongly suggest that your problems here are largely self inflicted.

Do AT&V0 and capture the result it displays. Posting that here will give us a sporting chance of undoing the mess you have got yourself into.

Your best bet now is to reset the modem to its factory defaults (usually two variants one is robust and the other tries to be go-faster). Try each one of these in turn and you might actually get somewhere useful.

AT&F AT&F0 AT&F1

Several of the other S registers you have meddled with are either reserved or undocumented or typos in your report of what you did.

When you get it right store the best profile with AT&W0 Then initialise your modem with ATZ0

Regards, Martin Brown

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Martin Brown

All of the following commands result in ERROR : AT&V0 , AT&F , AT&F0 and AT&F1. I did not change any character, XON or otherwise. S32=17 would disable V.34+ (value 16) and enable v.8 indicate (value

1) and certainly would not enable v.8 mode (value 2). I have an external modem; refuse to use an internal of any type as i can SEE the lights on an external modem and have a fair idea as to which way data is traveling (and how much).
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Robert Baer

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I had somewhat misinterpreted your goal. Try S33=3D15 and S34=3D7.

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JosephKK

S33 V.34 & V.34+ Connection setup bit mapped control flags. 1 = Disable 2400 Symbol rate 2 = Disable 2743 Symbol 4 = Disable 2800 Symbol rate 8 = Disable 3000 Symbol rate A setting of 15 would disable all of these. S34 V.34 & V.34+ Connection setup bit mapped control flags. 1 = Disable 8S-2D trellis encoding 2 = Disable 16S-4D trellis encoding 4 = Disable 32S-2D trellis encoding A setting of 7 would disable all of these. Will try.

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Robert Baer

Try AT&V or ATI4 then. Something is very fishy here...

You should be able to make the modem tell you what its settings are.

Where did you get this information? Most of the rest of the world uses different numbered S registers eg.

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S32 is the Xon character (changing it not implemented in some modems). I was also suspicious of your &N17 but put it down to careless typos. Something which incidentally does not bode well for setting S registers.

You are completely barking. Have you even got a decent FIFO buffered

16550 type serial card in this derelict PC ?

A PC of the implied vintage to be running Win98 basic serial ports cannot keep up with the modem adequately at 56k speeds without having a FIFO to absorb the slack. Dropped characters force retransmits and slows things down. If you use an internal modem the FIFO is much bigger.

Regards, Martin Brown

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The FIFO *is* a decent FIFO buffered 16550 type "serial card" emulated in the PCs ASIC; ASUS M2N-MX SE Plus clock 2700Mhz. Your "S" register descriptions are cattywhumpus with regard to Rockwell which is one of the standards - that BTW follows Hayes, another standard. AFAIK US Robotics used a Rockwell chip; cannot tear into it right now(!!).

Copy and paste of manual session; note S register info *directly* from modem: ATE1 OK ATI4 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT Settings...

B0 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 BAUD=115200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 DIAL=TONE ON HOOK CID=0

&A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &U0 &Y1

S00=001 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=000 S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S25=005 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S30=000 S31=128 S32=002 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000 S36=014 S38=000 S39=000 S40=001 S41=000 S42=000

LAST DIALED #: T9712310633

OK ATI11 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT Link Diagnostics...

Modulation V.90 Carrier Freq (Hz) None/1920 Symbol Rate 8000/3200 Trellis Code None/64S-4D Nonlinear Encoding None/ON Precoding None/ON Shaping ON/ON Preemphasis (-dB) 5/10 Recv/Xmit Level (-dBm) 26/16 Near Echo Loss (dB) 5 Far Echo Loss (dB) 0 Carrier Offset (Hz) NONE Round Trip Delay (msec) 42 Timing Offset (ppm) 2417 SNR (dB) 46.0 Speed Shifts Up/Down 4/5 Status : uu,5,12N,12.2,-7,0N,0,49.7,15.9 OK ATI6 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT Link Diagnostics...

Chars sent 2397433 Chars Received 52846317 Chars lost 0 Octets sent 1408747 Octets Received 51902644 Blocks sent 79234 Blocks Received 408326 Blocks resent 31

Retrains Requested 0 Retrains Granted 0 Line Reversals 0 Blers 2894 Link Timeouts 0 Link Naks 11

Data Compression V42BIS 2048/32 Equalization Long Fallback Enabled Protocol LAPM/SREJ Speed 45333/24000 V.90 Peak Speed 48000 Last Call 03:29:22

Disconnect Reason is DTR dropped

OK ATS$ HELP, S Register Functions (CTRL-S to Stop, CTRL-C to Cancel)

S0 Ring to Answer ON S28 V32 Handshake Time (1/10sec) S1 Counts # of Rings S29 V.21 answer mode fallback timer S2 Escape Code Char S30 Reserved S3 Carriage Return Char S31 Reserved S4 Line Feed Char S32 Connection bit mapped operations. S5 Backspace Char 1 = V.8 Call Indicate enable S6 Wait Time/Dial Tone (sec) 2 = Enable V.8 mode S7 Wait Time/Carrier (sec) 4 = Reserved S8 Comma Time (sec) 8 = Disable V.34 modulation S9 Carrier Detect Time (1/10sec) 16 = Disable V.34+ modulation S10 Carrier Loss Time (1/10sec) 32 = Disable x2 modulation S11 Dial Tone Spacing (msec) 64 = Disable V.90 modulation S12 Escape Code Time (1/50sec) 128 = Reserved S13 Bit Mapped S33 V.34 & V.34+ Connection setup 1 = Reset ON DTR Loss bit mapped control flags. 2 = Reduced Non-ARQ TX Buffer 1 = Disable 2400 Symbol rate 4 = Set DEL=Backspace 2 = Disable 2743 Symbol rate 8 = Do DS0 ON DTR 4 = Disable 2800 Symbol rate 16 = Do DS0 ON Reset 8 = Disable 3000 Symbol rate Strike a key when ready . . . 32 = Reserved 16 = Disable 3200 Symbol rate 64 = Disable Quick Retrains 32 = Disable 3429 Symbol rate 128 = Escape Code Hang Up 64 = Reserved S14 Reserved 128 = Disable Shaping S15 Bit Mapped S34 V.34 & V.34+ Connection setup 1 = MNP/V.42 Disabled in V.22 bit mapped control flags. 2 = MNP/V.42 Disabled in V.22bis 1 = Disable 8S-2D trellis encoding 4 = MNP/V.42 Disabled in V.32 2 = Disable 16S-4D trellis encoding

8 = Disable MNP Handshake 4 = Disable 32S-2D trellis encoding 16 = Disable MNP Level 4 8 = Disable 64S-4D trellis encoding 32 = Disable MNP Level 3 16 = Disable Non linear coding 64 = Unusual MNP-Incompatibility 32 = Disable TX level deviation 128 = Disable V.42 64 = Disable Pre-emphasis 136 = Disable V.42 Detect Phase 128 = Disable Pre-coding S16 Test Modes S35 Reserved 1 = Reserved S36 Reserved 2 = Dial Test S37 Reserved 4 = Reserved S38 Disconnect Wait Time (sec) 8 = Reserved S39 Reserved Strike a key when ready . . . 16 = Reserved S40 Reserved 32 = Reserved S41 Distinctive Ring options 64 = Reserved 1 = Distinctive Ring Enabled 128 = Reserved 2 = Reserved S17 Reserved 4 = Reserved S18 &Tn Test Timeout (sec) 8 = Reserved S19 Inactivity Timeout (min) 16 = Reserved S20 Reserved 32 = Reserved S21 Break Length (1/100sec) 64 = Reserved S22 Xon Char 128 = Reserved S23 Xoff Char S42 Reserved S24 Reserved S25 DTR Recognition Time (1/100sec) S26 Reserved S27 Bit Mapped 1 = V21 Mode 2 = Disable TCM 4 = Disable V32 8 = Disable 2100hz Strike a key when ready . . . 16 = Enable V23 Fallback 32 = Disable V32bis 64 = Reserved 128 = Software Compatibility Mode

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Robert Baer

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OK, i tore apart another, newer US Robotics FaxModem, same model 5686 and ther are a number of custom chips none of them hint at Hayes or Rockwell - so the S registers could be cattywhumpus WRT to Hayes/Rockwell.

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Robert Baer

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AND..command codes, S-register info, etc are all on the CD that came with the modem; date code seems to be 08/06/2004. I will stick with the codes as shown via the CD and via the modem for sanity.

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Robert Baer

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