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countries to profitable trading partners. "

This is where it really shows that you are educated to the point of stupidi ty.

THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING.

We already got too many trading partners. And impoverished means they might starve. or you could feed them and they'll have 12 kids. And those kids wi ll have 12 kids which means feeding 144 of them, and those kids will have 1

2 kids which means you have to feed 1,728 of them.

What's more that means a net loss of jobs for us !

You see things differently, I am surprised that a Phd was not taught to loo k at things objectively. There are cities in this country country considere d more of a mass market than you whole country. Why can't you understand th at it is damnear like living on a different planet ?

step back and let evolution work. "

While I sorta agree, we have let it work and it is not working. Without pro per regulation, business will take it all. Look at the banks, $300 for a fi fty cent overdraft. And if someone committed a terrible fifty cent overdraf t, you think they got an extra $300 laying around to fix this so they can g et their mandatory direct deposit pay of minimum wage at 28 hours a week ?

I got more, like these companies sold the bill of goods about the temporary services. They pay that temporary service like $18 an hour for a no skill worker and the worker gets $8 an hour. THEY ARE MAKING MORE THAN HE IS ! An d people think that is alright ? All they do is process his paycheck. how u ch does it cost to take some tax tables and make the deductions and then wr ite the check ? It costs more than the work being done ? I find that hard t o believe.

I don't deal with that because I got skill, but if I needed to hire people I would just hire a broad to write the checks. If she writes three checks a week she doesn't cost $30 an hour.

That temp bullshit might actually be money laundering but I have no direct evidence. I just don't see any other advantage to it. They still have to ha ve comp and comply with OSHA, MAYBE they get out of paying for UI but that is not that much. It is not enough to warrant splitting your employee's pay with some outside people. Or are they really outside people ?

The US gives foreign aid to Saudi Arabia. The US gives foreign aid to Israe l. Both of those countries now have a higher standard of living than the US .

And in all cases as far as I know, the People see very little of that money . The governments take it. Direct aid, like sending them that white goopy ( gross) stuff you saw the African kids eating on TV back in the 1970s, the g overnment is using it for fuel for the dictator's jet.

Would you rather live in China or Venezuala or Cuba or Zimbabwe? It does work.

Take all of what? Money? Money is just bits spinning on a hard drive somewhere.

Antitrust legislation is OK, to make sure people have choices. People have less choice about government; all they can do is emigrate.

Get another bank. Or don't overdraft.

If the business pays FICA and unemployment and disability and vacation and medical and maternity leave and all the rest, the government gets more than the employer does. 18/8 is only 2.25, which is a pretty low overhead rate in lots of industries.

Then use another provider. Let the market work.

That broad will have to do all the tax calcs and record keeping, and make the tax deposits and pay the medical costs and everything, cut the checks or make the direct deposits, and disperse many deductions. Payroll is not trivial; it's a nightmare for an individual to manage. We use a service.

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lunatic fringe electronics

Citation please.

$3B, almost all in military aid. Much of that ends up in hardware bought in the US.

$17M in aid isn't making the Israelites rich. Much of the aid for Israel and Egypt is dictated by treaty. Until Obama f*d up the entire Middle East up, the Egypt/Israel thing was working rather well.

Helping people is only a small part of the purpose.

So don't do that.

The temp service also pays all the employment taxes and insurance out of that $10.

I think you're rather naive about how business (under the thumb of government) works.

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ed countries to profitable trading partners. "

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ht starve. or you could feed them and they'll have 12 kids.

Educate the girls, and they won't have 12 kids. Secondary school education for girls is about the most effective form of population growth control ava ilable.

se kids will have 12 kids which means you have to feed 1,728 of them.

So get the girls off to high school, and you don't have to feed anything li ke as many kids.

Sure, but economic progress is all about fewer and fewer people providing u s with what we need. It used to take 50% of the population to grow enough f ood to feed themselves and the rest of us. You can now get by with 1% of t he population growing enough to feed all of us.

look at things objectively.

He was. The problem is that I was taught to think about more things than yo u can manage to fit in your under-educated head.

than you whole country. Why can't you understand that it is damn near like living on a different planet?

Because it isn't. I spent forty years living in Europe, which is an even bi gger market than the USA, and watched while the Italians grabbed pretty muc h the whole of the European cheap washing machine market, halving the cost of cheap washing machines in the process.

You suffer from American exceptionalism, which is the belief that the US is fundamentally different from the rest of the world. We've seen Donald Trum ps before, even if you haven't.

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That's what foreign aid donors claim. In reality country A usually does well out of something they get from country B, and foreign aid tends to mean they get more of it.

Quite a bit of it is too aimed at serving short-term interests.

As you've said before, the best foreign aid keeps girls in high school until they graduate - it's something of a long term investment, but pays off big-time, and better than pretty much anything else.

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And, surprise, surprise, standing aback and letting evolution work doesn't cost the tax-payer anything.

Investing in changing the world costs money, and right-wing tax-avoiding ni twits can see all sorts ways of reducing their immediate tax bills by doing less. The opportunity cost of not making a useful investment when you can are less obvious. The Koch brothers are 76 and 80 respectively, so their in terest in long-term investment isn't all that high.

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Would you rather live in Canada, Scandinavia or Germany? Whatever it is tha t the US has over China, Venezuala or Zimbabwe, Canada, Scandinavia and Ger many and have more of it.

The US economy has become quite a bit more valuable over the last thirty-od d years. The top 1% of the income distribution has pocketed pretty much all of that extra value, and the other 99% of the population hasn't much bette r at all.

Money may be bits spinning on a hard drive, but it's also getting your kids into the best - and now much more expensive - universities.

Or vote.

itted a terrible fifty cent overdraft, you think they got an extra $300 lay ing around to fix this so they can get their mandatory direct deposit pay o f minimum wage at 28 hours a week ?

Good advice. Hard to take advantage of if you've just been stuff with a $30

0 bill for going $0.50 into the red.

ary services. They pay that temporary service like $18 an hour for a no ski ll worker and the worker gets $8 an hour. THEY ARE MAKING MORE THAN HE IS !

Temporary services don't attract any of those overheads, which is why they are so popular.

how uch does it cost to take some tax tables and make the deductions and th en write the check ? It costs more than the work being done ? I find that h ard to believe.

James Arthur's ideal market would do it. Real markets are a lot stickier.

le I would just hire a broad to write the checks. If she writes three check s a week she doesn't cost $30 an hour.

The medical costs go away for temporary employees, along with most of the " everything". Tax calculations and record keeping just mean buying the right software - one single entry into the right window does it all.

When I was treasurer of the NSW branch of the IEEE I had to keep our accoun ts in the Netsuite program, which did all that stuff, for whichever country you were making the entries for. The interface wasn't all that intuitive, but you could get it to wrok.

Transformer design is even less trivial. You only buy in off-the-shelf woun d parts.

ct evidence. I just don't see any other advantage to it. They still have to have comp and comply with OSHA, MAYBE they get out of paying for UI but th at is not that much. It is not enough to warrant splitting your employee's pay with some outside people. Or are they really outside people ?

Jurb does ask some interesting questions from time to time. Contract labour supply is definitely an area where dodgy people show up from time to time.

In Australia there a long-running scandal where the local branch of the 7-1

1 empire had a lot of franchisees who had been cheating and ripping off the ir temporary employees. The scandal broke last year, and all the ripped-off temps were going to be paid what they should have got, but it hasn't happe ned yet.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

If only it were I wouldn't mind one bit.

Employers have been trawling through prospective applicants' internet histories for many years now, Bill. This is why you find yourself unemployable, I'd guess.

Slowman isn't even qualified for janitor. ...Jim Thompson

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           Liberalism: Religion for the Simple-Minded

Exactly, John. They seem to think that acting in accordance with their magical thinking will change the world. However, any psychiatrist will tell you that's an unfortunate manifestation of a psychotic illness.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." - William F. Buckley, Jr. ...Jim Thompson

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          Hillary has the charisma of a steamy warm turd.

Seems unlikely. I have run into people in real life who know that I post on sci.electronics.design and it doesn't seem to worry them. Right-wing nitwi ts might feel threatened, but I seem to see very few of them.

Few of them are quite so blatantly out-of-touch with reality as you are. Pe ople prepared to admit that they live in terror of a Muslim conspiracy to t ake over the world are mostly living in sheltered accommodation, with someb ody responsible for making sure that they take their medication twice a day .

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Few of us are. Janitor schools tend to be picky about the people they let in, and snooty about the over-qualified.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

The problem here is that Cursistor Doom and John Larkin think that only mod els of the world that are simple enough for them to understand can possibly be correct.

Sadly, the world is a little more complicated than that. John Larkin can't understand anthropogenic global warming, and Cursistor Doom can't even spel l it.

This doesn't stop it from being a real problem, and denying it's existence isn't going to make it go away.

Modern socialism does depend on the kind of sophisticated understanding of the way society works that can recognise that unrestrained free markets go wrong in a variety of predictable, and avoidable ways. John Larkin can't qu ite manage that level of comprehension, and doesn't want to believe that ot her people can do better than he can.

Cursistor Doom is even less capable, and chooses to write off anything he c an't follow as "magical thinking". As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any suf ficiently advanced technology is hard to distinguish from magic, and Cursis tor Doom doesn't yet seem to have mastered rubbing two sticks together.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Thanks for the laugh. Coming from you that is the biggest joke of the year. You do not live in the US but profess to know what is best for us.

Go get your guns back.