OT: Nuclear Shutdown, 1 down and 1 more to go

us (in a suburb near Sacramento) a nastygram saying that if we don't hide our trash cans *behind the fence* out of view (next to the garage is insuff icient) we will get fines.  One neighbor who doesn't check his mail very often already racked up several hundred $$$ in fines.

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visited Flagstaff and the Grand Canyon, but no place is perfect I guess.

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same here, I can drive to germany an pay 19% instead of the 25% here

but if I buy over the internet it is 25% whether I buy it in shop next door, another EU country or the US

also seems like unfair competition that the local brick an mortar store has to compete with amazon etc. that doesn't pay sales tax just because they put their server in another state state

The EU system neatly fixes that problem, store or internet doesn't matter it is buyers location that sets the vat rate

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a suburb near Sacramento) a nastygram saying that if we don't hide our trash cans *behind the fence* out of view (next to the garage is insufficient) we will get fines. One neighbor who doesn't check his mail very often already racked up several hundred $$$ in fines.

visited Flagstaff and the Grand Canyon, but no place is perfect I guess.

That's not the way it works here. If you have a "presence" in the state of the buyer, you have to collect the sales tax no matter where it is being sold from. But if you aren't in that state at all, they have no jurisdiction over you to make you collect it. That is the law being pushed by some at the Fed level, to say everyone has to collect the sales taxes of every jurisdiction, state, county and city! The problem is it still won't apply to those outside the US! So eBay will still be kicking butt, just no in country fast deliveries without a tax.

I don't see the new law passing any time soon. But someday it will I fully expect.

That's because it isn't a sales tax and is national. Sales tax here is for the lower levels of government, not national. Apples and oranges.

If you think nuclear waste is not an engineering issue you don't know anything about it... It *IS* that simple. Check out the opinion of the National Academy of Sciences on the length of time required to store nuclear waste. Their entire function is to advise the government on scientific issues without political bias.

That is your second mistake. Again, I refer you to the NAS.

BTW, even if it is just "thousands" of years, we have no idea how to store things that long. This is the admission of the people responsible for the process.

That is your opinion. Mine is that nuclear fuel should be avoided until we have some idea of what we are doing.

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If I buy something from the US it is not the US shop that collects the VAT, the postal service does

So you can buy all you want but it will not be delivered until you pay the VAT

I see, so it isn't just a maximum of ~50 different rates?

-Lasse

I get that. That is the way it is with national import fees which is what VAT becomes for imported items.

No and in fact, there can be tax from multiple jurisdictions, state, county and city...

I just drives me a little nuts that I have to pay tax when I make the money, tax when I spend the money and all sorts of other taxes just for owning many of the things I own. I bet the total tax rate is over 50%.

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I can see how that gets messy, here it is generally one rate per country

and if an EU internet shop doesn't exceed some maximum amount per year to another EU country it doesn't have to figure out the vat for that country it collects the local vat instead

it could be much worse, here the income tax gets close to 50%

income tax and VAT I can sorta live with but being taxed on owning or using stuff that was bought with taxed money that is just wrong

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Standard in the US for many things, e.g. vehicles, an annual ad valorum tax.

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You realize that it is the anti-nuke nutters that persist in making the waste a permanently insolvable problem. Maybe we should make them swim a lap or two in the cooling ponds every day until they wise up.

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Well, lets see what our realistic options might be. We can build some more fast breeder reactors that produce significantly more fuel than they consume, and use mostly slow breeder reactors that produce a little more fuel than they consume. Of course we will have to reprocess the fuel and that takes energy as well. Most important it must be tolerated by the rabid anti-nuke club.

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Your misapprension seems to be spectacular. To paperwork to comply with regulations bring a reactor online from concept to turn on printed double sided on 16 Lb paper is MILES thick. Possibly over 100,000,000 pages, largely driven by anti-nuke nutters. Merely realistic paperwork should well exceed 100,000 pages though, it is a really serious task and needs to be well understood and the operating personnel well taught in the theory, normal, and emergency operations, and drilled regularly.

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Now if only they could achieve that. They fail far more often than they succeed. Just check their track record.

Neither of you has this right. I can show you straight from physics that you can check from most textbooks that the problem is not only half life but quantity and concentration as well.

Not entirely true. Moreover some of the NAS "scientists" let their political convictions get in the way of science.

The actual technical people doing this usually have a very good about what they are doing, it is mostly the management idiots overruling them that causes so many problems. Part of the problem is that is so hard to make management legally liable for their mistakes.

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I think it's actually pretty safe to swim in the cooling ponds. (Not that the anti nuke crowd would know that.... )

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Can you buy EVERYTHING YOU NEED in local stores? I can't, and they usually have no clue, if it's not a stocked item.

It's pure BS, but Europe also created lead free solder.

There are thousands of taxing districts. Maybe even tens of thousands.

Just put their office right next to the reactor building. If they screw up, they'll be the first to go.

it's same here, tax the value of your house, tax on value of the land it is build on, tax on having number plates on a car etc ..

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no and that wasn't the point

if the all the local store gets to do is work as a free show room and every one then walks out not buying anything and instead order it on amazon because they don't pay sales tax pretty soon you won't have any local stores

obviously, once wrong always wrong ...

-Lasse

Ok, that was interesting. You were making statements about the NAS, and to be honest, I don't know much about them, so I did a quick look up.

Ok, lets be honest. We are not going to agree on this point. As far as I can see, your 'non-political bias' claim is most likely incorrect. It is a political institution, appointed by its own members, and from its stands on AGW, and from your statements about its stand on nuclear energy, it evidently has a highly liberal slant. I have met the president, and he is a very liberal leaning scientist.

So, on the practicalities of nuclear power, as far as I can see, nuclear waste is still a political issue. Whenever a solution is presented, TPTB basically determine to find some fault with it, and shoot the idea down, even (or especially!) if the idea was one that they proposed in the first place.

And remember, YOU have a radioactive half life measured in millions of years, yet we haven't banned you! 8-)

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I don't understand your comments about paper work and misapprension. I am simply stating that we are paying the same electricity rate since shutdown of San OnoFre. The utility companies have not increased or decreased our rates with or without San OnoFre. They have not randomly cut us off (blackout) either. So, San OnoFre is totally unnecessary.

We are paying more than 20 cents per KWHr, vs 10 cents national average. If they are unable to generate electricity competitively, then shut them down and buy electricity from the grid.