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Understanding is a fountain of life to one who has it, But the instruction of fools is folly. Proverbs 16:22
Proof positive of what we've been saying all along:
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More bad news for the likes of Bill Sloman! :-D
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Not exactly. With proper gun control, the shooter wouldn't have had a gun i n the first place, and there wouldn't even have been three people injured.
Cursitor Doom doesn't seem to have worked out that the target is no mass sh ootings at all - as we've had in Australia for the last 22 years.
The UK seems to have been similarly free of gun attacks since 1996 - bombs, knives and vehicles have been used to fatal effect (as they have in Austra lia) but Cursitor Doom would prefer the country to be full of potential "go od guys with guns", rather neglecting the possibility that one of them migh t go nuts and mutate into a bad guy with a gun.
Every law-abiding citizen not in prison or parole, with a gun, is a perfectly fine law-abiding citizen with a gun right up until the moment they're not, in which case they're just one more armed and dangerous criminal.
The Right thinks white people are special, however, and aren't materially capable of being run-of-the-mill armed and dangerous criminals/psychopaths/mass murderers, even when they are. He was always a great kid, you see. Just fell in with the wrong crowd. Was a victim of mental illness. Terrible tragedy. Not really his fault.
"Cursitor Doom" seems pleased that people get shot more often in the US than they do in the UK, like if thugs were opening up on tourists in the center of Piccadilly Circus every Friday night he'd be glad so long as someone managed to drop the attacker before the body count rose too high.
MAYBE with "perfect" gun control (which isn't possible). But then there's your leap of faith that the perpetrator wouldn't have just used a knife, car, FedEx bomb, poison, baseball bat (Google YouTube: knockout game),fill-in-the-blank instead.
Point is, if you're a murderer (or even a wannabe murderer) the availability of a gun isn't really the underlying determining factor. And I think we've already established that the gun doesn't fire by itself.
If you're a wannabe terrorist bomber the availability of fissile material to make a nuclear weapon or the fact that Wal-Mart doesn't sell RDX in the sporting goods section to anyone over the age of 18 isn't really the underlying determining factor.
Astounding that the fact the Austin bomber managed to kill only 5 people using improvised explosives instead of 500 by blowing half a shopping mall to bits with RDX he bought off the shelf is re-purposed as an argument that controlling availability of arms just doesn't work.
The purpose of that type of control is not to stop every attacker from using any method under the sun to ever kill anyone, ever. You can't. There is no perfect solution.
But the argument "there isn't any perfect solution so just do nothing" is pure retardation. And that's the Right's argument on most topics.
Also it's impossible to really understand the American Right's motivations for arming teachers, etc. unless one understands Evangelical eschatology, the book of Revelations and their thoughts about it, pre-tribulation Rapture doctrine, and so on.
Does armed teachers shooting it out with armed students in class sound like the End Times to you? It kinda does to me.
And in the US the husband of the woman who starts talking to you at a bar and asking for your phone number wearing no ring, never once mentioning that she's already married, is naturally by Murphy's Law gonna be the wife of the guy with a dozen guns at home.
I wonder if any of the nominally-straight men here ever pondered the potential consequences of a situation like that over. Maybe they've been married too long.
It's a natural mistake. The Right think that rich people are special, and in the US most of the rich people are white.
Only if you think that the right to own a gun is a basic civil right, as opposed to the right to drive a car, which isn't.
Not exactly a realistic comparison. It's difficult to use a cell-phone to kill somebody, while it's difficult to think of a practical use for a gun that doesn't involve trying to kill something. This does skew the cost-benefit analysis.
You're right, that was too broad a statement. There are two types of Conservative in America, as some see it. The "limousine Conservative", who holds "traditional" Conservative values - free markets, small government, low taxes, strong military, and so on...and the race-Conservative, whose primary characteristic is being an ethnocentrist, and to whom traditional Conservative values don't matter much. They'd be fine with any type of government - one-party state, President for Life, fixed-outcome elections, socialism, what have you, so long as it puts the interest of whites first.
They don't like each other very much, but recognize that they need each other to survive. For most of the 20th century the first type was firmly holding the reins, but now something rather different has happened and the other kind is calling the shots.
Banning firearms in private ownership outright would require a Constitutional amendment, even I agree with that. I don't foresee that as ever happening via the required process. If it were to happen via some other method then that's an event neither the Constitution nor anyone here would have any power to prevent.
If the US is so fragile that it collapses into a police state without any portion of its Constitution being explicitly tossed in the dumpster or unambiguously revoked outright (and the Supreme Court has ruled gun control is not unconstitutional in the abstract) then it is fatally flawed by design, and likely deserves its fate.
To make the "liberty/security/neither" argument IMO liberty has to actually have been unambiguously sacrificed as per the exact terms of the contract (Constitution) by majority agreement. Unfortunately, in this case the wording of the contract is ambiguous and non-specific. You say it has. I say it hasn't. you say potato.
I wouldn't know. I'm an electronic engineer and it would take me a while to work out how to use my mobile phone to do that job - it's certainly not a task something that mobile phones are designed to manage easily.
I was talking about practical uses for guns. It may be sensible to boost your skills with a gun on a range before you actually try to shoot something edible with it, but the practical advantage of that exercise hangs off putting the skill into practice.
Showy demonstrations of skill don't count as practical use.
to work out how to use my mobile phone to do that job - it's certainly not a task something that mobile phones are designed to manage easily.
I expect you really do know but do not want to admit it. _It was in the ne ws here. And you claim to be a electronic engineer and yet say it would ta ke you a while to connect a small relay to the speaker leads so one could c all the cell phone and have the relay close.
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your skills with a gun on a range before you actually try to shoot somethin g edible with it, but the practical advantage of that exercise hangs off pu tting the skill into practice.
Did you not use to play fieid hockey? Isn't that just a showy demonstratio n of skill in hitting a ball with a stick? Pretty much the same thing. Bo th are sports.
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