OT: Kids got an E-scooter?

Jun 22, 2024 Last reply: 2 years ago 24 Replies

Ummm... Perhaps solid state batteries which do not use a flammable electrolyte?

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"...a solid-state battery with solid electrolyte shows improved stability with a solid structure, and increased safety since it maintains the form even if the electrolyte is damaged."
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All that remains is to figure out how to upscale the technology to larger batteries, eliminate the dendrite problems, and of course reduce the high manufacturing cost.

If all else fails, there's always the Boeing solution to battery fires. Instead of replacing the LiCoO2 battery with a safer chemistry, Boeing opted to entomb the battery in a 185 lb (84 kg) fire proof steel box. Anything to avoid having to re-certify the 787 for a new backup battery chemistry.

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Electric trains and electric trolley buses seem to manage it.

Putting recharging coils under stretches of road (as is done for some - very few - battery powered buses) does limit the amount of fuel stored in the vehicle.

A lunch box is probably made from very thin steel (or even aluminium), and the flame from a LiPo fire is quite hot, so this might be true.

Those LiPo bags, however, actually work. They have fibreglass layers in them. They are specifically made to not be air tight. That way, the smoke and gases can escape without risk of the bag popping open.

A Li-Ion (including LiPo) cell does not contain metallic lithium, so there will not be a metal fire. It is the volatile components of the electrolyte that burn.

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But the vehicle would get progressively heavier as the reaction products built up. I mean, surely no-one would simply dump them to atmosphere?

Good point. The used reactants would be bigger than the fuel, so the waste tank would be bigger and heavier than the fuel tank. It might need a pump to compress the used reactants, which would wreck efficiency.

A fueling station would need big underground tanks for the waste too.

But we could use wind and solar power to reprocess the waste back into fuel and air.

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