OT: Gold tax (in "health" bill)

From an investment newsletter:

Komrade Obama is going to tax your gold.

I'm sure it'll come out that many new taxes were sneaked into the recently passed 2,300-page health care law. One of them will apply to those selling gold coins. The new tax law says every time a business buys anything that costs more than $600, it has to be reported to the government.

If you sell $600 or more in gold to your coin dealer, it'll have to be reported... so it can be taxed. The government hopes to rake in $17 billion over the next 10 years from the new tax.

This will crush small businesses. Dealers often buy gold from one another. Those transactions will all have to be reported and taxed. But it's worse than that...

Customers sell gold to dealers regularly. Pat Heller, a coin dealer in Michigan, says he deals with maybe 1,000 customers a week and will have to fill out anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 new tax forms a year. Heller says he'll have to hire two full-timers just to track all this crap.

How much do you want to bet Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and JPMorganChase start getting into the gold-coin business in a big way? They already have the personnel to handle the paperwork, and they have more money than God to pay a new tax.

Never mind for a moment this was added to a health care law. This is a pristine example of how the system works. The masses and media clamor for more regulation. The government is happy to oblige. Big businesses get a larger competitive advantage from the new regulation... and small businesses and individuals get screwed.

This doesn't really concern me, since I buy gold and never sell it. But it concerns me that many mom-and-pop coin dealers will be put out of business since they won't be able to deal with the new regulatory burden.

Looking ahead, no matter what the Supreme Court has decided recently, I promise you Komrade Obama is trying to figure out how to get your guns away from you. It's hard to get control of people who have the ability to shoot back.

Reply to
Robert Baer
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I agree with your sentement regarding more government intervention, but to say you never sell gold, makes it finacially useless. Although if you put me in your will and I can inherit it at todays cost....

Reply to
amdx

With the bill available for all to read, did this newsletter happen to give the paragraph number of this addition ?

I just did a search on Health Care Bill - H.R. 4872, I have and did not find any hit on the word "gold".

thanks

hamilton

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hamilton

Found it:

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The original bill did not have this included.

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Reply to
hamilton

This is exactly how that socialist Obama and his minions are working, publish a bill then pass another bill with different provisions but with the same name. Slide in their graft, crap and junk and screw everyone but themselves.

Reply to
PeterD

The Liberals pay lip service to "Freedom of Choice" but want to take away your means to defend that freedom.

The "Conservatives" are all for gun ownership, but want to legislate or dictate away the rights that the guns are intended to protect. Plus they're addicted to war.

We need more Libertarians!

Thanks, Rich

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Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

"... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ provide new guards for their future security...." [emphasis mine] ---

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Hope This Helps! Rich

Reply to
Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

The bank reports your interest income. Stock brokers report your capital gains. Why don't you think that gold investors should pay they're taxes? That's like crying for the waitress that has withholding taken out of her tips.

Reply to
krw

Please tell me where the profit is in exchanging cash for a gold coin is.

If the price of a gold coin is $1200 and I exchange $1200 for it, where is the profit to tax ?

If I exchange a gold coin for $1200, where is the profit ??

This is not tax collecting, no more then gun "licensing" is about gun ownership.

Its about where to go pickup the guns and gold when the government decides to.

hamilton

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hamilton

For someone to buy it, someone had to sell.

The person who bought it for $600 and sold it for $1200 made $600 in *TAXABLE* income. You aren't buying it because you think it'll go back to $600. I suppose it'll shock you to find out that such paperwork is filed on stock transactions, too.

You really aren't this dumb, are you? Running for DimBulb of the week?

You really are a fruit loop.

Nope. There is no longer any reason to seize gold. Currency is no longer based on it.

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krw

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And less reason to hold it.

Imagine the classic survivalist scenario: one family has the last sack of potatoes in town, and the other the last sack of gold. Which family will eat tonight?

Reply to
Richard Henry

Maybe not eXplicitly, but.. "every time a business buys anything that costs more than $600, it has to be reported to the government" covers gold coins and gold bars. Just wait..i bet a tax follows; if so, it will be like a sales tax...

Reply to
Robert Baer

Agreed, one need only study history to see where this move is headed.

Reply to
PeterD

Right. It *might* be an inflation hedge, but it hasn't done so well since currency was floated. Property has been far better.

Absolutely. I kinda laugh when I hear the "buy gold" commercials on the radio.

Reply to
krw

Yep. Taxes. In this case, appropriate, though the vehicle sucks.

Reply to
krw

I just did the same for 111_hr3590_engrossed and found some really interesting definitions for plan levels.

Next i searched 111_ahcaa_HR3962 and no mention of gold. Robert's report sounds like dis-information; prehaps someone trying to stampeed investor wannabees.

Reply to
JosephKK

Searched this:

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The signed version of 111-HR3590-engrossed.

found 10 instances of the word gold. All in interesting language about the level of the health care plan. No mention of taxes on the metal mineral or coins made from it.

Reply to
JosephKK

Sorry Robert. No mention of metal gold found. $600 mentioned in some premiums and deductions and $600,000 in a limit. Maybe some other legislation. I seem to remember hearing about it in some _other_ _proposed_ ligislation. Getting bill and paragraph number is validation.

Reply to
JosephKK

You missed it...the tax is a general tax on sales exceeding $600. That covers sales of gold coins and gold bars...

Reply to
Robert Baer

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The tax is a general tax on sales exceeding $600. That covers sales of gold coins and gold bars...

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Robert Baer

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