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From today's Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/08/20/2014750117.full.pdf

The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
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That's easily fixed by making white people die younger.

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On 2020/09/09 8:33 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
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But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed  
countries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US,  
pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there  
can't be a connection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

John :-#(#

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:11:28 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
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Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?  

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don't have to be purely racial, they're mostly based on poverty.

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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:25:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs

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"Asians" have the highest life expectancy of any group in the USA,
86.3, which is interestingly better than Japan (84.5) or Hong Kong
(84.7) or indeed any of the countries in the link above. In
California, Asian LE is 87.7.  

"Hispanics" are second highest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States#Life_expectancy


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Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 3:48:09 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
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This means that being a racial minority in the US is not, by itself, connected to shorter lifespans.

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ected to shorter lifespans.

Being poor is. The US lacks universal health care, and it's social security
 system is cheap and nasty. Health gradients against wealth and social clas
s are steeper than they are in more cilivised countries, and even the peopl
e at the top of the heap don't live as long as their equivalents in better  
run countries.

The US has remarkably high income inequality for an advanced industrial cou
ntry, and this correlates strongly with bad outcomes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_ (book)

compares the US with other advanced industrial countries, and the individua
l states of the US on the same basis. It's interesting and depressing.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:04:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
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Hey SL0W MAN,

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality. If you REAL
LY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mand
ated to compile these statistics:
https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/nonhispanic-black/index.htm
It is plain to see that the LEADING cause of death for black males younger  
than 45 years is HOMICIDE, and the homicides are being committed by OTHER b
lack males (9 to 1). The next leading cause is UNINTENTIONAL injuries.

This article doesn't even mention homicides. The higher death rates from th
e Chinese virus by race are due entirely to the fact that these races DON'T
 practice simple preventative measures such as social distancing and not go
ing to large gatherings which can trigger a superspreader event. Minority g
roups also have occupations that ignore these guidelines, such as meat proc
essing plants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/superspreader
-events-may-responsible-80-percent-coronavirus/
Lower educational levels inevitably mean that these groups are less likely  
to listen to and accept health safety guidelines. This is well-known for br
oadly communicated unhealthy activities such as smoking.


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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:44:50 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

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False.  Nonsense, really.  Science accepts the convention of right-handed coordinates, but
is not 'right' or 'left' in any sense.   PNAS is known, but not described in any such terms.

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Oh, political toadies to  the current administration have control of your perception of reality?
Look at the power structure, and readjust your BS filters,  If you care about 'to know' issues.

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On 9/8/2020 8:04 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
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What do you propose to do about it?

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7, John S wrote:
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The best options are:
1. Make their communities secure to live in (reducing homicides would have a material impact on Black lifespans).
2. Improve the schools in these communities (not hard to do because they are SO terrible).
3. Continue common-sense policies instituted by Pres. Trump such as Opportunity Zones and selective tariffs.  
4. Promote better role models for Blacks (arrest the ones they see daily: drug pushers).
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/aug/26/pressandpublishing.raceintheuk
My favorite is Charles Payne (he has his own show on Fox Business). Payne grew up in Harlem in a single-parent (mother) home. George Washington Carver was also a boyhood here of mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver

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e a material impact on Black lifespans).  

Making drug-dealing a less profitable career choice in those communities wo
uld be a long step towards this.

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are SO terrible).  

But the US system of school districts means that the extra money to pay for
 the better education would have come out of that community. It's a terribl
e way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact th
at the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economica
lly feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presiden
ts cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democratic  
society might go in for, but couldn't afford.

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tunity Zones and selective tariffs.  

Common sense and President Trump aren't usually coupled in the same sentenc
e. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-sense.

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 drug pushers).  

That does dependent on making drug-deal less profitable in poor communities
. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-deali
ng in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny B
ruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and t
he FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and t
he religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

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euk  

Being black in the UK frequently means being poor and lower class, and the  
UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.

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Trust Flyguy to take Fox News seriously.

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Exceptional people can transcend a lot of disadvantages. Society needs to l
et the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/9/2020 9:33 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
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The inner-city I'm familiar with (Providence, RI) about 35% Hispanic and  
20% black is one of the most commercial-oriented environments I've ever  
seen. There are shops and bodegas and food trucks and restaurants and  
bars and nightclubs and markets and stuff squeezed in everywhere there's  
some free space. If there's no room people set up shop on the street  
selling clothes and DVDs and makeup and such on Sundays for a while  
until the law gets word someone's street-vending without a license and  
the stuff gets pulled back inside.

Yeah you can get drugs and guns there, along with just about everything  
else under the sun. Crime is in steady decline anyway.

Providence RI, 45% white, murder rate:

<https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ri/providence/murder-homicide-rate-statistics#:~:text=The%20Providence%20RI%20murder%2Fhomicide,a%2019.53%25%20increase%20from%202016 .>

Tulsa OK, 65% white, murder rate:

<https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ok/tulsa/murder-homicide-rate-statistics#:~:text=The%20Tulsa%20OK%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for%202017%20was%2017.29,a%2019.03%25%20increase%20from%202014 .>  


Whether "their communities" are secure or not depends entirely on where  
you are.


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Public schools in West Virginia and Kentucky ain't much to write home  
about, either.

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 6:33:59 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
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would be a long step towards this.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but these troubled communities are
 actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.

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y are SO terrible).  
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or the better education would have come out of that community. It's a terri
ble way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact  
that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economi
cally feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presid
ents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democrati
c society might go in for, but couldn't afford.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but schools in the US are funded b
y a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

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ortunity Zones and selective tariffs.  
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nce. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-sense.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but Pres. Trump exhibits A LOT of  
common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.
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es. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-dea
ling in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny
 Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and
 the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and
 the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

"That does dependent" - I thought you were a PHD. Tch, Tch, such POOR sente
nce structure! No, promoting better role models is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from a
rresting crooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug ov
erdose - do your RESEARCH!

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e UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.

I am talking about the US.

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You ought to, too. Payne is a Black success story that is WELL WORTH emulat
ing.

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gton Carver was also a boyhood here of mine.  
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 let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that
.

Hey SL0W MAN, Carver was successful during the MOST RACIAL DISCRIMINATION p
eriod of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You prob
ably didn't even know of him before now.




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On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:15:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
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re actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.

Of course they are. If some of the members of these communities are making  
money from illegal activities, they do discourage their neighbours from coo
perating with the police.

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hey are SO terrible).  
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 for the better education would have come out of that community. It's a ter
rible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fac
t that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was econo
mically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early pres
idents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democra
tic society might go in for, but couldn't afford.
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 by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

But the control - and most of the funding - is local. Dubbya did try to inj
ect some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, but he
 got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-
per-pupil-data.html

shows a wide range of spending per pupil - from Utah at $6,953 to New York  
at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I once  
found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of the
m seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few rich di
stricts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.

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pportunity Zones and selective tariffs.  
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tence. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-sense.
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f common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-unsupported-claim-about-opportunit
y-zone-investments/

You don't have to get up close and personal with Trump to notice that he li
es a lot. It does take a working brain to notice this, and you don't seem t
o have one.
  
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ily: drug pushers).  
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s. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-deal
ing in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny  
Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and  
the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and  
the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

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FERENT from arresting crooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED f
rom a drug overdose - do your RESEARCH!

I'm well aware of who Lenny Bruce was. "Harm reduction" makes having a drug
 habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arresti
ng crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If they d
on't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of it, a
nd there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. This  
is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your opi
nions on the subject are worthless.
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intheuk  
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the UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.
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But the Guardian article to which you posted the link wasn't.

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ating.

Most Australians know who Rupert Murdoch is, and are very glad that he's no
w a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing misin
formation - not as rabid as Fox News, but right-wing Amercians are more rab
id than their Australian counter-parts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Payne_ (television_personality)

"In 1999, Payne settled with the SEC over a complaint alleging that on at l
east eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its clients p
urchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic stock rec
ommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to disclo
se that he received payments from members to promote members stock. Without
 admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the entry  
of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Securi
ties Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $25,0
00.["

You might pick your heroes a little more carefully.
  
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She wasn't great at instilling good business ethics.

 > > > George Washington Carver was also a boyhood here of mine.  
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to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at th
at.
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 period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You pr
obably didn't even know of him before now.

He certainly came up in the books I read as a kid. Back then America was tr
ying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloured pe
ople and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about someb
ody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice that
 he'd had to deal with.  Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and weren
't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role mod
el.  At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficult
 to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonweal
th Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable amo
unt of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farmers
, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more interes
ted in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than t
hose of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did, th
e neighbours got much more interested.

A girl who was a good friend of my wife in her boarding school in Tasmania  
ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they  to
ok over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, but  
one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titanium d
ioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there when
 I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physics a
nd there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.

Some farmers are quite interested in science. Their farm started off gazing
 sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent pinot
 noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opium p
oppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/11/2020 2:12 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
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Public school quality is pretty much proportional to local funding, the  
right-wing agenda has been to cut funding for education for 40 years.  
Which makes the about-face on sending kids back to school and the  
"importance of education" of late all the more sadly amusing yet  
predictable, just self-serving behavior all the time. What wouldn't a  
wingnut decide was "important" today if there's something in it for him?

In any case, de-funding the leftist university system makes a good  
talking-point to rubes who think anyplace but like Yale, Stanford, and  
Johns Hopkins are getting hundreds of millions of Fed dollars, the big  
cuts have already been made everywhere else by everyone else in the past  
40 years who used the same talking-point.



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On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 11:12:31 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
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My, my, SL0W MAN - it's NOT the criminals making things more difficult, it'
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ay for the better education would have come out of that community. It's a t
errible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the f
act that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was eco
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nject some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, but  
he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance - the funding agencies set the rules  
for the groups receiving the funding, not vice-versa.

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k at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I onc
e found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of t
hem seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few rich  
districts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.

LOL! The amount spent DOES NOT correspond to quality!! NY is higher because
 salaries are so much higher.

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ies. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-de
aling in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenn
y Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia an
d the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, an
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When you criticize others about spelling, YOUR spelling better be impeccabl
e, Dolt. And, it ISN'T!
  
 No, promoting better role models is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from arresting crook
s. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do yo
ur RESEARCH!
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ug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arres
ting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If they
 don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of it,
 and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. Thi
s is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your o
pinions on the subject are worthless.

You don't seem to be - you quoted him describing a most improbable conspira
cy. Money wasn't Bruce's problem - drug abuse was, and it killed him. You c
ould hand out illegal drugs to everyone who requests them for free, but tha
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now a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing mis
information - not as rabid as Fox News, but right-wing Amercians are more r
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 least eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its clients
 purchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic stock r
ecommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to disc
lose that he received payments from members to promote members stock. Witho
ut admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the entr
y of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Secu
rities Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $25
,000.["

The key words are "Without admitting or denying the alleged violations." Pa
ying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how the  
government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the gov
ernment has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.

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I have.


On the contrary, she WAS! Dolts like you don't know what you are talking ab
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s to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at  
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trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloured  
people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about som
ebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice th
at he'd had to deal with.  Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and wer
en't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role m
odel.  At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficu
lt to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonwe
alth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable a
mount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farme
rs, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more inter
ested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than
 those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did,  
the neighbours got much more interested.
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a ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they  
took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, bu
t one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titanium
 dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there wh
en I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physics
 and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.
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ng sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent pin
ot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opium
 poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

Translation: George Washington Carver is an exceptional role model.



Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:50:55 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
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ould have a material impact on Black lifespans).  
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ities would be a long step towards this.  
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es are actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.  
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ing money from illegal activities, they do discourage their neighbours from
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I wonder why Flyguy thinks that. Not that it matters - what he thinks does  
seem to driven by whatever right-wing propaganda he has run into recently.

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se they are SO terrible).  
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 pay for the better education would have come out of that community. It's a
 terrible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the
 fact that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was e
conomically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early  
presidents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a dem
ocratic society might go in for, but couldn't afford.  
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nded by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.  
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 inject some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, bu
t he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.
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s for the groups receiving the funding, not vice-versa.
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ork at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I o
nce found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of
 them seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few ric
h districts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.
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I'm sure that New York State has quite a few school districts that spend th
e bare minimum, and a few that spend huge amounts. New York State includes  
more than Manhattan Island.
  
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as Opportunity Zones and selective tariffs.  
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se.  
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OT of common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.  
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e lies a lot. It does take a working brain to notice this, and you don't se
em to have one.  
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e daily: drug pushers).  
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ities. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-
dealing in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Le
nny Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia  
and the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold,  
and the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.  
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ble, Dolt. And, it ISN'T!

Nobody's is.

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ks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do y
our RESEARCH!  
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drug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arr
esting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If th
ey don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of i
t, and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. T
his is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your
 opinions on the subject are worthless.
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racy.

It was a joke. Like most jokes, it was based on a useful idea.

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ld hand out illegal drugs to everyone who requests them for free, but that  
would send drug addiction skyrocketing.

That's pretty much what happens in the Netherlands, and it doesn't.  The pe
ople who hand out the drugs do make an effort to move people to lower doses
 and get  most of them clean eventually, Without the economic stimulus to c
reate new addicts to be new customers, the drug dealers don't hand out free
 (or cheap) samples) to people who might become addicts.
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raceintheuk  
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and the UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.  
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Make up your mind.
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emulating.  
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s now a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing m
isinformation - not as rabid as Fox News, but right-wing Amercians are more
 rabid than their Australian counter-parts.  
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at least eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its clien
ts purchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic stock
 recommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to di
sclose that he received payments from members to promote members stock. Wit
hout admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the en
try of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Se
curities Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $
25,000.["
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Paying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how th
e government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the g
overnment has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.

I am. He should have gone to jail. The US attitude to white collar crime is
n't attractive.
  
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Your idea of being "careful" seems to amount to having noticed him in the f
ar-right media.

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about.

Paying a civil penalty of $25,000 isn't evidence of competent early instruc
tion in business ethics.
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eds to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing a
t that.  
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TION period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. Yo
u probably didn't even know of him before now.  
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s trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloure
d people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about s
omebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice  
that he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and we
ren't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role  
model. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficu
lt to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonwe
alth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable a
mount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farme
rs, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more inter
ested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than
 those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did,  
the neighbours got much more interested.  
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nia ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they
 took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, b
ut one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titaniu
m dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there w
hen I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physic
s and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.
  
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zing sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent p
inot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opi
um poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.
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Flyguy doesn't do English comprehension. George Washington Carver wasn't an
y kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, which F
lyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emulate  
in any area where it matters.

--  
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
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innesota.  
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 would have a material impact on Black lifespans).  
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unities would be a long step towards this.  
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ties are actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.  
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aking money from illegal activities, they do discourage their neighbours fr
om cooperating with the police.  
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NS.  
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s seem to driven by whatever right-wing propaganda he has run into recently
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Hell no - YOU are the one driven by the far-left libtard propaganda.

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ause they are SO terrible).  
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to pay for the better education would have come out of that community. It's
 a terrible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to t
he fact that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was
 economically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the earl
y presidents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a d
emocratic society might go in for, but couldn't afford.  
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funded by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.  
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to inject some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative,  
but he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.  
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les for the groups receiving the funding, not vice-versa.  
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nding-per-pupil-data.html  
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 York at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I
 once found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most  
of them seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few r
ich districts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.  
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the bare minimum, and a few that spend huge amounts. New York State include
s more than Manhattan Island.

If you were SO DAMN SURE, you would POST your references, but you DON'T bec
ause you DON'T KNOW SHIT!

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h as Opportunity Zones and selective tariffs.  
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me sentence. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-s
ense.  
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 LOT of common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.  
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rtunity-zone-investments/  
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 he lies a lot. It does take a working brain to notice this, and you don't  
seem to have one.  
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see daily: drug pushers).  
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unities. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated dru
g-dealing in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable.  
Lenny Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafi
a and the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold
, and the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.  
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cable, Dolt. And, it ISN'T!
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ooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do
 your RESEARCH!  
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a drug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about a
rresting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If  
they don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of
 it, and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested.
 This is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why yo
ur opinions on the subject are worthless.  
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piracy.
ould hand out illegal drugs to everyone who requests them for free, but tha
t would send drug addiction skyrocketing.
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eople who hand out the drugs do make an effort to move people to lower dose
s and get most of them clean eventually, Without the economic stimulus to c
reate new addicts to be new customers, the drug dealers don't hand out free
 (or cheap) samples) to people who might become addicts.
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g.raceintheuk  
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, and the UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.  
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I did, already.

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ss).  
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H emulating.  
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e's now a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing
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re rabid than their Australian counter-parts.  
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n at least eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its cli
ents purchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic sto
ck recommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to  
disclose that he received payments from members to promote members stock. W
ithout admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the  
entry of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the  
Securities Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of
 $25,000.["  
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" Paying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how  
the government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the
 government has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.
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isn't attractive.

Well, I didn't know you were a sworn member of the SEC's enforcement staff.
  The truth is that this was a situation where they HAD NO CASE and made a  
token settlement to SAVE FACE! Your inability to recognize that demonstrate
s your SUPREME IGNORANCE!!!

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 far-right media.
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g about.
uction in business ethics.
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needs to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing
 at that.  
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NATION period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS.  
You probably didn't even know of him before now.  
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was trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to colou
red people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about
 somebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudic
e that he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and  
weren't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as rol
e model. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very diffi
cult to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Common
wealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable
 amount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to far
mers, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more int
erested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better th
an those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did
, the neighbours got much more interested.  
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mania ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and th
ey took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him,
 but one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titan
ium dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there
 when I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in phys
ics and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after hi
m.  
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gazing sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent
 pinot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing o
pium poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.  
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any kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, which
 Flyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emulat
e in any area where it matters.  

Apparently, NOBODY was a role-model to you.

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What we have out of SL0W MAN is a series of BULLSHIT responses that detract
s from my original post on how to improve the lives of Blacks in the USA. H
e has ZERO ideas to present, just childish rants about absolutely NOTHING!


Re: OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.
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t any kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, whi
ch Flyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emul
ate in any area where it matters.
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I can't remember ever sitting down and wondering what somebody else would h
ave done in my situation - it doesn't strike me as something worth doing.
  
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cts from my original post on how to improve the lives of Blacks in the USA.
 He has ZERO ideas to present, just childish rants about absolutely NOTHING
!

You didn't start this thread - I did. There was nothing original in your co
ntribution when you did decide to horn in, and the stupid right-wing ideas  
that you posted don't seem to have been all that effective in improving the
 lot of coloured people in the US - which was roughly what the PNAS paper I
 linked to was all about.

You don't seem to have the capacity to realise that you aren't saying anyth
ing useful, and get remarkably upset when this pointed out. If I keep on ir
ritating you for long enough you may blow an artery, which is about the onl
y thing that is likely to change your behaviour. Rational argument is clear
ly ineffective. And don't bother claiming that you could recognise rational
 argument - you've failed to do so far too often for that to be remotely pl
ausible.

--  
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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