OT: Cop Kills Another Black Man

It seems that almost every thing that uses the rechargable batteries, you can get a new item and battery for at about the same cost as just the battery.

I just wonder how the battery power cars are going to fair in about 10 to 15 years when the batteries fail.

There's a lot of work going on on making better batteries for that market. If it works as well as integrated circuit development has done over the past fifty years, there will be better, cheaper batteries on the market when the batteries being sold now eventually need replacement.

They may be enough better that people will rip out the batteries that came with the car to put in something lighter with more capacity and a lower self-discharge rate.

Car are a lot bigger and more expensive than the kind of stuff we buy at the moment with rechargeable batteries, and they are going to be a much bigger market, worth investing a lot more to get yourself a slice of the action.

That the rechargable batteries in e.g. LG cell phones tend to be crap is sort of apples to oranges with automotive rechargables. Like the LiPo in a cell phone cost two bucks what do you expect for two bucks. LG Chem can definitely make a high-quality battery when the OEM is paying $5000 for it, though.

Well, probably not so good. Some of the earliest Chevy Volts out there, the 2011 model, have degraded batteries at this point. Of course they also tend to have about 200k miles on the clock.

So the question with any car after 10-15 years with mileage like that when there's a major failure is "is this worth fixing." That goes for blown head gaskets and automatic transmission fails in ICE cars, too. Unless it's something rare or a top of the line luxury vehicle the value of the car has already decreased towards zero. Nothing lasts forever.

The nice thing about that car is because it has the pack running down the centerline accessible from a door in the undercarriage a battery swap is possible for a home mechanic, just jack the car up about 3 feet, open up the panel, disconnect and detach the old battery, jack it down onto a dolly, slide out, jack the new one up into place and reconnect, then get a dealer with their $82,000 machine to reset the ECU for you. Lightly used and NOS replacements are available for 2-3k, depending. When an automatic transmission fails it's usually not any cheaper.

Failures in the newer flat-pack battery designs are tougher basically have to strip the whole car down to replace those I think.

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Well you need not worry about that any more as LG is backing out of the cell phone market.

Not with an electric wheelchair. "List" on mine is ~$40K (but that's largely because of insurance subsidies). You can buy a used one for ~$5K.

Batteries (DIY) will run about $500. Installed? Closer to $1100. (consider the reasons why folks NEED the chair and you'll understand how LESS likely it is for them to DIY)

The sad thing is it's an application that the battery usage can be monitored 24/7/365. Yet, monitoring is little more than watching the voltage across the pack. It doesn't even treat each battery as a separately chargeable entity. The electronics comprise such a tiny portion of the cost... and, yet, they don't do anything to add value with those electronics!

Likely the same thing that happens to internal combustion vehicles after 15 years (180K miles at 12K/year)

I still see quite a few 15 y/o Mercedes on the road. 15 y/o Mercedes tend to be relatively cheap to keep running, or not in the slightest, depending on the model, but the common wisdom that they're all hopeless money-pits at that age is just that.

Well, it's concerning, I'll say that much....

Members of the press are exempt from the curfew by order of the local (civilian) government:

Flyguy is the kind of right-wing idiot who thinks that the claims of other right-wing idiots deserve to be taken seriously.

"Isaiah Lewis, meanwhile, wasn't just unarmed. He was completely naked. Williams broke into a house, and then attacked an officer. The police Tased Williams, but he kept attacking. The officers shot him. They were not charged. "

Tucker Carlson changes the name of the victim from "Isaiah Lewis" to "Williams" after the first sentence. That's Flyguy level idiocy.

In Carlson's mind the left is engaged in a conspiracy to replace whites in America but also lies about the the people who believe they're being replaced being bigoted against the people they believe are replacing them, which is about exactly the behavior you'd expect from people who believe they're being replaced.

"facts and logic"

Hey SL0WMAN, note that you didn't present a SINGLE reference disputing the data I presented, only a very minor "speech error" on Carlson's part. Remember, you call ALL of Lyin' Biden's dementia markers (i.e. forgetting Obummer's and Trump's names) "speech errors."

Now, try actually presenting data that COUNTERS what I presented - if you HAVE ANY.

It wasn't speech. It might have been an error of action, except that Tucker Carlson got the name right on the first sentence but replaced it by "Williams" in the second and third sentences. It's editorial carelessness - any subeditor would have found it as I did - but neither you nor Tucker Carlson actually seem to read what was posted.

There's no need to present any kind of reference to demonstrate that this much too shoddy to be taken seriously. Tucker Carlson can claim anything he likes, but if he can't pass the most basic test of reportorial competence - getting the name right - he's not going to be taken seriously.

Because that is what they are. Joe Biden has been making them since he entered politics, so they aren't evidence of any kind of progressive disorder (even if you and Trump like to think that they are).

I don't have to bother. You shoot yourself in the foot much too frequently for me to have to put in any extra effort.