OT: A moving story (serious)

Right... there fighing for all those 18 year olds that you mentioned earlier? All those priests who f*ck little boys? All those politicians rape and pillage not only our economy but our future. To be completely honest... I'm starting to think those guys are fighting the wrong people.

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Most of the time stories like that are just made up by someone trying to make a political point. It probably never happened. But if it did it's kind of saddening. Here we are in a war that has lasted longer than WWII and there is still no end in sight. Guys are getting killed and horribly mangled every day. That is bad enough but the American people are very opposed to continuing with this war at all. Only because of a pig headed tyrant and a minority who still follow him are we still involved in this fiasco. Yet in spite of the fact that the people over there know we want them back here and the thing to end, and the support for what they are doing is dropping more and more all the time, they are still full speed ahead and support Bush and the war. The troops have become nothing more than well trained drones that blindly follow a leader in spite of the fact that they know the people at home who they are supposedly fighting for want it over with. They only care about following the orders of the tyrant king and acting like uber patriots. They remind me of Nazi soldiers. Troops will kill anyone and do anything they are told like they haven't a brain in their head and have no concept of right and wrong. But boy are they patriots. As if this is a good thing at this point. It just shows as a country how far we have gone from doing what is right. Or even knowing what that is.

Hawke

I guess I have to disagree with you there buddy. Sadaam hussien was the tyrant... but I guess you overlook that fact. I guess you also think 911 was a conspiracy?

I have no idea if it was the right think to do to go into iraq but Bush shouldn't have been so stupid at the time. I do not know if he did it for alterior motives or not but there is no prove of it and I'll not just assume what I want like most people until there is proof. The whole WMD argument is total BS. Just cause they were not found doesn't mean they didn't exist or there was no progress towards them.. and even if they didn't exist, who cares.

I guess you just have no sympathy for the iraq people. (Seeing how idiotic they are I guess might might be a fair thing actually) Theres a reason why dicatorships exist over there and its probably a good thing that we learned our lesson not to interfere because we don't understand there culture enough to really help(another one of Bush's shortcommings).

But you know what? Its people like you(ok, I don't know your full story but you sound like you would probably be one of these people) that have been against the war from day one and wanted it to fail. About 1/2 the government has been this way. Can't you see thats a great plan for success? Do you really expect us to win when so many people are trying to make us loose? Bush though it was going to be easy... boy was he wrong. Theres no doubt in my mind that if america was 100% behind this war that it would have been over 5 years go. We would have minimial troups in iraq. Probably punched iran in the face and got interfering asses out the way.

What do you expect though? We went into Iraq not to fight a war but to spread democracy and that was the wrong reason. Even if partly we might have went for oil there is nothing wrong with that becaus that is actually in the interest of big oil... oops, I mean the american people. But you know what? If all those democrates that are bitching about the war had to start walking to work and couldn't take there vacations they would have no problems invading iraq, iran, china, russia or anyplace else and murdering anyone that gets in there way from going to starbucks every morning.

America is filled with a bunch of hypocrite's and ideologue's that don't have any understand of social dynamics, economics, history, compasion, education, etc... and the worse ones are running the show. Its Americas own fault and I think we deserve whatever happens. The unfortunate thing is that all those men and women(but mainly men) that died for our country and made it what it was died in vain. Only thing I hope is that whatever comes out of it is better. Maybe there will be a civilization in the future that used America as an example of what not to do.

The fact of the matter is, is that your precious democrates are just as much to blame for all our problems(even world issues) as the republicans. The republicans at least tend to do a little less talking about solving them and actually attempt it(even if they are to stupid to get it right most of the time(ok, all the time)).

As each day goes past I'm get more and more ashamed of being an american.

150 years ago, if shit like this were going on the people would revolt... now all people do is drink more latte. Who's really to blame here? Bush? I think not. (of course I guess its a lot harder today than it would be back then)

In any case it doesn't matter what I say but I guess it makes me feel a little better ;)

Hawkie is the resident ignorant poitical troll on rec.crafts.metalworking

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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Typical Readers Digest garbage...

...and one soldier only had a deck of cards...

-- "Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it." (Stephen Leacock)

The one who claimed to have his girlfriend's panties in his locker...

Jon Slaughter Jon snipped-for-privacy@Hotmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design:

Not that the very real problems you point out do not need addressing; but it is disrespectful to use them to dismiss the decency that they express by honoring their commitment so.

As usual, your ignorance knows no bounds:

Title: Artist: TEX RITTER Song: DECK OF CARDS - ID: 548982 - Date and time (posted): 2005-09-24 16:26:32 To comment on this song's lyrics (Or read other people's comments), Please scroll down

Friends, this is Tex Ritter with a strange story about a soldier boy and a deck of cards. During the North African campaign, a bunch of soldier boys had been on a long hike and they arrived in a little town called Casino. The next morning being Sunday, several of the boys went to church. A sergeant commanded the boys in church and after the Chaplin had read the prayer the text was taken up next. Those of the boys who had a prayer book took them out. But this one boy only had a deck of card and so he spread them out. The sergeant saw the cards and said, Soldier, put away those cards. After the services were over the soldier was taken prisoner and was taken before the provost marshal. The marshal said sergeant, Why have you brought this man here? For playing cards in church, Sir.And what do you have to say for yourself son? Much, Sir replied the soldier. The Marshal said, I hope for if not, I shall punish you more than any man was ever punished.The soldier said, Sir, I have been on a march for six days and I had neither bible or prayer book, but I hope to satisfy you, Sir, with the purity of my intentions. With that the boy started his story.

You see sir when I see the Ace, it reminds me that there is but one God. And the deuce reminds me the bible is divided into two parts, the Old and the New Testament. And when I see the three, I think of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. When I see the four, I think of the four evangelists who preached the gospel, there was Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. And when I see the five it reminds me of the five wise virgins who trimmed their lamps. There were ten of them, five were wise and were saved and five were foolish and were shut out. And when I see the six it reminds me that in six days God made this great heaven and earth. And when I see the seven it reminds me that on the seventh day God rested from his great work. And when I see the eight, I think of the eight righteous people God saved when he destroyed this earth. There was Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives. And when I think of the nine, I think of the leapers our savior cleansed and nine of the ten didnt even thank him. When I see the ten, I think of the ten commandments God handed down to Moses on a table of stone. When I see the king, it reminds me that there is but one king in heaven, God all Mighty. And when I see the queen, I think of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is queen of heaven. And the Jack or knave is the Devil.

When I count the number of spots of a deck of cards I find three hundred and sixty-five, the number of days in a year. There are fifty-two cards, the number of weeks in a year. Theres four suits, the number of weeks in a month. Theres twelve picture cards, the number of months in a year. There are thirteen tricks, the number of weeks in a quarter. So you see, Sir, my deck of cards serves me as a Bible, almanac, and prayer book. And friends I know that story is true cause I knew that soldier.

You need to move out of WV before it's too late!

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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

So, YOU're the one who subscribes, and the rest of us get their damn junk mail. :(

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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I\'ve got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

No problem you don't agree with me. Few here do. But at least you make a rational case for what you do believe. As for Saddam, he was scum, of course, no one disputes that. The argument is did we have to attack Iraq, take the place over, and try to turn it into a puppet state? I think history shows Bush did the wrong thing. As for 911, yes it was a conspiracy. A conspiracy between a bunch of fundamentalist Arabs.

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Lots of people do. Why? Because without the excuse of WMDs Bush wouldn't have had the excuse necessary to attack another country. It was basically the cause of war. Without the threat of WMDs few would have authorized Bush to use the military in Iraq.

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I do feel sorry for the Iraqis. First they have a cruel dictator for decades then when he finally is overthrown an imperialist country invades and starts running the place. But then the Iraqis have not had much experience running a modern country so they are understandably lousy at it. I would compare them to Mexico. Both countries have lots of natural resources but are still lawless and uncivilized countries.

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If the US did a full mobilization and drafted the manpower to take over Iraq like in other wars we could have done it, of course. But even if we did that we still would have the problem of trying to herd cats (make Iraqis work together as a single nation). It's one thing to win wars it's something else to build a nation out of ruins. As you see we've done pretty good at one but not both. Regarding wanting to see us fail, yep, I confess I want that. Does that sound unpatriotic or unamerican? It's not. Because when this country does something completely contrary to our historic values and ideals I'm not going to go along with it just because some say we have to support the military no matter what. Well, I say forget that. If we are in the wrong I'm not going to support it. And the only way this country will learn not to interfere in other nations' affairs is for us to get a bloody nose. A loss in Iraq will be just that. We need some comeuppence.

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It sounds like you don't have a very high opinion of Americans either. You think that if American's lifestyles are threatened they are more than happy to do anything to keep things the way they like it? That sounds a lot like Americans to me too. The thing is that if we actually lost the ability to get oil or whatever resource we need to function we'd find another way. They say necessity is the mother of invention and I believe we can do a lot if we have to. It's just easier to send the military to take what we need. That has to stop.

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Yeah, and maybe America run by Bush and the republicans will be used by people in the future as an example of what not to do. I hope so.

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Just because someone doesn't like Bush or the republicans doesn't mean they are fans of the Democrats. I'm Independent, which means I don't find either party to my liking. But if given a choice between the two most of the time I side with Democrats. Even so I'm not wanting a return of the Clintons to the White House and I oppose Democrats on several issues.

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I agree, and I've been embarrased to be an American for a while now. We could be such a model for the rest of the world and instead we're proving to be a bad example. There's a lot of blame to go around for the trouble we are in but you have to lay a lot of it at the feet of the president and party that has basically ruled this country since 2000. By the way, have you noticed how that coincides with the decline of so much in America? It's no accident. As the Germans found out in the 1930s it matters who you let run your country. America is learning that it does matter who we elect too, I hope.

What's wrong with that? Like they say it's a lot better than a sharp stick in your eye. And putting out your ideas is so much better than what many freaks around here do, which is simply to call people names or try to belittle those who they disagree with because they are too stupid to win any arguments. I can do without them.

Hawke

Just last week I got an email from a "soldier in Iraq" who promised to cut me in on some money he had found in one of Sadam's palaces, but which he would not be able to take out of the country.. All I had to do to cash in was send him my bank account information and a little cash so he could set up his end of the transaction.

Richard Henry snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design:

Gee, i wonder what country the "soldier" is really from, China, India, Nigeria, a mercenary from England?