New scope

Aug 21, 2021 Last reply: 4 years ago 25 Replies

My 40 year old scope seems to have failed again the same way it did a while back - one of the X-axis drive transistors has failed - the same one as last time. Could just be chance again, but one has to wonder.



If I had a replacement, I'd use it, but either I only sourced one last time, or I've lost the other(s). Either way, I think I should cut my losses, and get a new scope.



My needs are fairly basic - after all, I lived with a 20MHz scope for forty years. A USB/PC one would probably suffice.



Anyone have experience with such a device?



Sylvia.


I have high end scope, but also a cheap low end

Picoscope 2204A costs 119 USD.

2 channel 10MHz including signal generator, so you can do loop analysis and component measurements

Also has FFT and a, lot of bus decoding features

If you need more bandwidth or channels the price increases...

Cheers

Klaus

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:06:35 +1000) it happened Sylvia Else snipped-for-privacy@email.invalid wrote in snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>:

Ha! I Have a Trio CS1562A 10 MHz dual channel analog scope, and is all I ever needed at home. Fix your analog scope if you can!

There are cheap digital ones, USB PC is not practical. All depends on what you do. What counts most is understanding of what you do,

Well I designed and build scope-pic:

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Not as good as my analog, but was fun to build, never use it though :-) Most RF (radio) stuff can be done with an rtl-sdr USB stick and software spectrum analyzer (is what I do).
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tons of software exists online and free for that.

But if I needed a new scope I would go for a stand-alone, not a PC based one. Isolation for a start.

There are cheap Rigols some you could even modify in software to get more bandwidth IIRC Do not remember a model number right now, oh,

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So if I needed a scope I would go for that perhaps ;-) Just for fun.

Does not J. Larkin have one?

Jan Panteltje wrote: =============

** Yep - one high current event with the earth chip on you probe could be the last time your PC ever works.

Like Dirty Harry famously said .......

...... Phil

The Analog Discovery 2 is very good. I have one I uses with an old Asus notebook PC running Linux, it makes a very portable and capable package.

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Though in the office, the four channel Rigol is more convenient.

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** From the movie "'Dirty Harry" - spoken by actor Clint Eastwood:

" Do ya feel lucky - punk ? " which is a shortened but oft quoted version.

Amazed you have never seen the film..... More famous quotes than a Shakespeare play.

..... Phil

+1 what Jan said. Plus digital scopes can tell lies; analogue ones don't. And reparability is a major boon, which is where vintage test gear scores highly.

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"By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy about it."

- Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum CEO.

EEVblog #1317 - $140 2CH 100MHz Fnirsi Tablet Oscilloscope Review

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I have one. They are fantastic! Around USD$147:

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Also get a nanovna:

New 2.8 inch LCD Display NanoVNA VNA HF VHF UHF UV Vector Network Analyzer Antenna Analyzer + Battery. US $36.80

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and a tinysa, around USD$50. Includes waterfall display:

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and a RSP1A SDR. Around $120. General coverage communications receiver,

1kHz (VLF) to 2GHz. AM, FM, SSB, etc. Beware of counterfeits:

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and a richmeter RM109 dvm. Around USD$20. Autoranging or manual. Very fast. Measures to 1uV and 10 nA:

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Alibaba also carries many of the same items but it is more difficult to order from them:

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DO NOT order from Amazon!!! Their prices are outrageous.

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I have a low end Hantek scope that works well except if trying to use the X and Y input function to use the Lisenjous 'circles'. I do have an old Techtronics scope for that .

Plus you get the added functions of an on screen digital volt meter and frequency counter. The 200 MHz scope is around $ 300 .

I would not fool with the hassel of the computer based scope things.

I like a scope with a screen and knobs. The Rigols are great. We haven't had trouble with one yet, out of a dozen at least.

Sharp color traces, infinite storage, cursors, time and voltage precision, signal averaging, all are wonderful compared to an old analog scope. And you can lift one with one hand.

So far, none of our digital scopes have needed repair. Analog scopes break a lot.

On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Aug 2021 08:21:26 -0700) it happened snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Not sure that goes, my Trio is from 1979 or so and only needed fixing after I accidently sparked to a channel from a TV booster tube. Was on all day for TV repair in my shop, is on here now every now and then:

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I destroyed the graticule (soldering station dropped on it) and made a new one myself from plexiglass.

Maybe, but they're all still young so it's not a fair comparison against say a Tek or a Philips or even a Hameg, many of which are still going strong 40+ years on. I can't see anything made in China lasting a fraction of that.

Any analogue scope made after about 1970 you should be able to lift with one hand! (and you can't have "infinite storage" either). --

"By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy about it."

- Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum CEO.

Most of our old analog scopes died. I have a collection of big old Teks, few of which still work. Telequipments, Kikusuis, Philips, HPs weren't very reliable compared to modern digitals. There isn't actually much inside a 50 MHz scope now.

Failure rate on Rigols so far has been zero. I did see one at another site (Lily Drone, rip) with a smashed screen.

That quote is absurd. People like to own stuff. I bet that Schwab guy owns a lot of things in 2030.

2030 is only 9 years off.

The advantage is being able to store/process/recall the data and not just "see" it.

If you go that route, consider making a dedicated "appliance" instead of trying to remember how to run the "scope application" on a PC that already has dozens of other uses.

[PCs/laptops are cheap]

This costs only 200€£$ LABLOOT LB1202 Digital Storage Oscilloscope, 2 Channels 220Mhz Bandwidth 7''

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it has its probe ground connected to mains zero/ protective earth. Fully floating or battery powered would be better.

Most do. We have one Tek scope with full isolation of all 4 channels and trigger, individually. You can clip the probe ground onto one side of the AC line, or the source of a mosfet 60 volts off ground.

Hello Sylvia, I was considering one of these just "for fun"

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like the flexible, expandable aspects.

Otherwise my old Hitachi 35MHz is still fine (just bulky). Space is precious in modern city living...

Cheers, RS

Further examination shows that it's actually the corresponding transistor in the other half of the X-drive circuit. Which makes a warped kind of sense, so I will try replacing it.

Sylvia.

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