neat pulse strecher

I have a neat little book called "Industrial Transistor Circuits" by Allan Lytel, date of publication April, 1965. Lots of motor control circuits with SCRs, warning flashers, lamp dimmers, power oscillators, timers, counters...all discrete, not an IC in sight. Tucked away near the end is a pulse stretcher circuit that uses a single 3N81 silicon-controlled switch and a couple passives; this is the circuit in LTSpice using transistors:

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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work using discrete transistors instead of the switch specified. Does anyone make SCSes anymore?

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You can still buy PUTs, programmable unijunction transistors. And low-level SCRs.

Seems to me that a classic 2-transistor monostable is simpler and better behaved than that circuit.

Does anyone here remember the single-transistor "uni-shot" circuit? It was used to generate the PPM waveform trains for R/C airplanes, before ICs were available.

There used to be a lot of exotica that's gone or mostly gone now: tunnel diodes, unijunctions, dual-emitter transistors, GTOs, SCSs, dual-gate fets, reference transistors, point-contact diodes, photo SCRs.

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But it does work, it snaps back at ~72.75ms ;-)

Read up on holding currents to calculate how the TAU actually influences the length of stretch time. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I see it now. Per the book, using the values in the simulation is supposed to strech a 0.5 uS pulse to a 50 uS pulse...I wasn't expecting such a big difference!

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Have fun. "SCR's" made from discrete devices have much higher effective beta's, thus calculating holding currents can be tricky. ...Jim Thompson

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"Jamie" wrote in message news:Up43t.285044$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe23.iad...

Photo SCRs, for example, find use in the highest power devices. Why bother supplying a floating gate drive from solar panels and fiber optics, when you can simply pump a little bit more optical power into said fiber and illuminate the wafer directly?

Can't say I've ever seen a GCT advertised for sale anywhere, either, certainly not in consumer-industrial sizes. Must be something about economy of scale that means these devices are *only* made a wafer at a time.

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Tim Williams

behaved

used

diodes,

And a lot of it still exist and still in use..

Maybe not so much for things like dual gate fets and tunnel diodes.

The UJ oscillator was a popular candidate for simple pulse conditioning and timing applications.

Pin diodes have their usage's when properly implemented.

Jamie

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I don't know what a GCT is? Maybe the acronym is throwing me off?

Jamie

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Dual gate FETs are dead useful.

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"Jamie" wrote in message news:Zp63t.233565$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe18.iad...

Gate Commutated Thyristor, supposedly acts like a GTO SCR with two MOSFETs. So you apply +15V and it charges up the gate (something like an IGBT with intentional SCR action), or you apply -15V and it janks all the load current out of the gate and goes into recovery. At 0Vgk it's either on or off (latching).

Although I think they are also the devices sold with a gate driver board married to the puck, which really means it's a dumb old GTO, with the gate drive action provided by a value-added component, not some fundamental property of the device.

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