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Acknowledging there is a part of life that is not described well by science does not make one's beliefs "bizarre". Science is science and life is life. If you apply science to *every* aspect of life you are going to miss a lot.

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Rick C

That conclusion does not follow. If you drive west and you keep finding road, does that mean you will never drive into the Pacific ocean?

By definition science can only describe things that can be either controlled for experimentation or observed under many conditions sufficient to cover the theory you are testing. Many things in life do not fit that mold.

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Rick C

As I said, God is constructed to be neither provable or disprovable. Anytime a proof that God doesn't exist is developed, the definition of God is adjusted to be again unprovable. This has happened enough times that there are no known proofs that God does not exist... except this one.

If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so large that he can't lift it? If God can, then God is not all powerful because God can't lift it. If God can't, then God is not all powerful because he can't create it. This at least proves God is not all powerful.

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Rick C

We will see. He may well be the biggest practical joke ever promulgated on the US citizens.

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Rick C

What does "why" mean in science? There has to be a precise logical definition. Usually "why" is a question of cause and effect, and science says that cause precedes effect, but when I do something to reach a goal then the cause is in the future. Yes, that depends on how you define the cause. If the cause is defined in terms of cause and effect in temporal sequence, then science already addresses that. So if there's another "why" that science doesn't address then it has to be defined. Is it about "what is the goal"? Then why should we think there is a goal?

When you look at the whole world as bifurcated between theist and atheist maybe, but you must note a difference between Mulims and Buddhists, and with Russians, Chinese, and Sweeds (all 3 atheist) so aggression doesn't really correlate with religion. There's even a big difference between the Arab immigrants in Afghanistan where men are required to have a beard, and Morocco where shaving is a ritual. Their whole set of attitudes is different and they have the same religion.

Most religions will have something equivalent to Christ's "job specification" for the people who would spread Christianity, viz: Luke 14

25 Large crowds were travel26 ?If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters?yes, even their own life?such a person cannot be my disciple.

Not a good starting point, and one which usually isn't taught by parents to their offspring :)

Neither do Buddhists, but despite their pacifist reputation, they can be pretty nasty to each other.

"People are people" just about sums it up.

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should provide amusement for a few years.

That is fine with me, but I want to judge those situations myself and not leave it to what some desert nomades wrote about it thousands of years ago.

That's an old trick question. Can you yourself create an object so large that you can't lift it? Of course. Say like a ton of concrete. But then, you create a hoist that can lift it. What is the answer then?

This is similar to the old irresistible force and the immovable object conundrum.

BTW, I am an agnostic.

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Can God create a four-sided triangle? If so, he's not all-powerful, and if not, he's not all-powerful.

You've made an elementary error in logic. An object too large to be lifted by an all-powerful being cannot exist any more than a four-sided triangle c an.

Or as a famous theologian said, "A meaningless statement does not acquire m eaning by being prefixed by 'God can'.

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Phil Hobbs

Its worse than that. A goal requires a goal-setter. Why should we think that there is a goal-setter?

No, you're just projecting your hate on them.

No need to say more. Your hatred is dripping already.

No, you hate. You think them to be sub-human. Militant atheists are really a sad bunch.

That's *exactly* the point. Science and religion have nothing to do with each other.

What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26?

Seems explicit and unambiguous to me.

Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care?

OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before family. Did you have a point?

Yes, they can be flexible. In Nepal, I used to see home altars with pictures of the Buddha, HH the Dalai Lama, the king (who claimed to be a divine reincarnation, but Hindu style) and....

Bruce Lee.

Nowadays, the king has probably dropped out of the quartet.

And in the mahayana Buddhism, all kinds of deities are sorted in again, whatever the surrounding substrates may offer.

regards, Gerhard

Am 12.11.2016 um 23:19 schrieb krw:

You mean, their daily bombs are my projections? They don't need me for bombing, mostly they have enough to do with people of the other flavours of their own religion.

Are you sure you get the vitamins you need, maybe medical help?