MC10198 monoflop is out of sale

Oct 16, 2007 14 Replies

Use a delay line and a gate, or just a (slow) gate, or a one transistor one-shot.

I apprently didn't notice the Monoflop MC10198 went out of sale. Without a successor. What replacement chip is being taken these days ? The purpose : make a trigger pulse of few ns a bit longer.



Rene


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You might try....

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and see if they have something that would work.

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You can....

| in---------+--------------------| | | | | gate ---------- out | | +-----delay----------| |

which can do all sorts of stuff, depending on the gate and polarities.

The delay can be a trace, an RC, a hunk of coax, another gate, or an R-L-C.

If you need a real one-shot, you can fire a d-flop and let it reset itself through a delay.

John

John

I've been recently having to do that a lot. Troubles me... I prefer fully clocked events.

But system "architects" (what a laugh ;-) leave me with undefined states I have to generate.

I usually...

Set D-Flop with the only "edge" they give me

Delay(s) operate other needed event markers

Final Delay sets R-S Flop

Which sends the RESET

AND a bunch of concluding conditions before RESET clears

Somewhat like the PFD's I've posted here and on my website.

...Jim Thompson

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An ecl flop, especially a modern high-gain one like EL or EP, resets itself nicely. An r-l-c is a good feedback delay, because it gives the reset a relatively sharp edge and recovers quickly compared to an rc.

A string of gates is a pretty good reset delay inside an ic, which would be inside an FPGA to us. One trick is to use a string of AND gates,

in------+-------- | and---------- +-------- and----------- in---- and---------- out in-------

which gives a bunch of delay but recovers very quickly.

We sometimes design around FPGA internal cell delays, and we've been lucky so far.

Sometimes async logic is unavoidable.

John

It is probably gone because there's no need for it. A popular method is to use the D-FF in the family: apply pulse to 1)CLK input to toggle FF out of '0' to '1' and 2) pulse thru delay of choice to CLR input. Another is to use the schmitt differential receiver, hang a cap in parallel with open emitter termination for fast charge and delayed discharge, square it up with 2nd schmitt.

How primitive...it's probably relatively unknown today, especially with regards to the mass produced bit heads who consider themselves 'logic' designers, but event driven clocking is subsumed within formal algorithmic state machine theory. Actually it's quite prevalent as most of the edge triggered logic taken as elemental, like all the FF's, use this technique in their design.

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I'm immersed in the world of CMOS analog right now... gag me with a spoon :-(

...Jim Thompson

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Do you prefer bipolar? I'd expect the processes would be more repeatable.

John

I grew up on bipolar, so I prefer bipolar. It IS more predictable than CMOS because CMOS has so many defects from the ideal that make analog design quite tricky.

But BiCMOS provides the best of all worlds. I've designed some nice WiFi repeaters on BiCMOS.

...Jim Thompson

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Please tell those AZ guys that they could make some money on comparators.

John

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What kind of specs do you need?

...Jim Thompson

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Single comparator per chip

+-5 supplies; +-3.3 would be nice, too.

Input diff/common mode range +-2.5 volts

Available with ECL or PECL outputs; may as well do LVDS, too.

Prop delay below 1 ns

SO-8 should be available, with the CMP-01/MAX9690 pinout.

John

You don't need to reinvent the wheel. Use a pair of 2 input ECL NOR gates with the first stage coupled to the second through a capacitor, and a pullup at the second stage input.

Tam

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